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Democracy & The Law

Why has Dimin encouraged people to come to the CC hearings? Can the decision of the board be affected one iota by the view of the residents of RT regarding this issue? Absolutely not. The laws that will govern the decision are already in place. Our democratic process involves choosing representa...

straight talk about

The term "Urban-sprawl" has been thrown around so much that it appears to be a foregone conclusion. But there's no truth or proof of it at all. First, the land CC is buying has already been developed. And any company that movedin there would have had the option of expanding the facilty. RT already surre...

Karen

Not sure how to make the other thread a sticky, so here's a new one.

Mark B

My Diatribe-sorry for the length I've been to the meetings. And I've written my letters and made my calls to the church. I've asked them if it was true that the statement made by Ireland did indeed come from his mouth that if the people of Rockaway don't want his compound here, then he won’t brin...

Mark B

Hi all. I am no traffic genius, so some of this is confusing to me. I have pasted a previous post about the weeday traffic. What I am curious about, is I believe that the children going to this school will be dropped off by parents. This means it 2 way traffic on the road. Then they pick up the kids- ... >>>>>>>

Chuck Mueller

Ted's after meeting experience is regretful, if accurately reported. (Before you jump all over that statement Ted, remember that we know of many other inaccuracies in your posts in the past.) Although I wouldnt bother to give him the time of day myself because of the many hateful he has said to me, I wo...

karen

Hey guys, since we're going to be keeping track of the posts that are deleted so they can be reported to the nj.com bosses, let's start doing this. Whenever you see a particularly interesting post (of course not inappropriate or dangerous or privacy-invading), copy the whole post and we'll stor...

RockBoroMan

Still valid questions (never answered in public) Where is VORT’s traffic report? I have heard that they have one. Will they post the summary of it on their website? Why didn't they post the summary of the Urbitron study on their website? Why didn't they use number...

Craig Maier

I did a little research at the US Department of Labor Statistics. I was able to identify Roman Catholic Priests as a category for which there were some statistics. I thought that some of you would appreciate knowing the numbers. These data are based on 2003 tax returns. M...

Craig Maier

Just to help put the physical size of Irelands grand plan to build this huge business out here on Green Pond Road, please consider the following: 1. His Present Church of 5000 members is 25,000 ft^2 2. He plans improve the Agilent property up to 412,000 ft^2 3. St. Peters Basilica in the Vatican i...

Craig Maier

Using a much more conservative approach to the growth of the CC business, assume that it is only going to grow at 10% per year (a poor assumption based on its history and the magnitude of investment that Ireland is making here). The NFV equation yields the following projections: 1. In t...

RT11

I found Mr. Steck's analysis of the RT Master Plan interesting. While his comments about no clear definition of what a church is appear to be accurate, maybe it is because the master plan was last updated (1995 I think) before mega-churches as they are know even existed. If th...

RT11

I found Mr. Steck's analysis of the RT Master Plan interesting. While his comments about no clear definition of what a church is appear to be accurate, maybe it is because the master plan was last updated (1995 I think) before mega-churches as they are know even existed. If th...

Craig Maier

This is to document my growth calculation results for CC which I used in my query of Ireland the other night: Given: Christ Church grew from 500 to 5000 members in 10 years. This comes from sworn testimony from Ireland Using a re-arrangement of the NPV (Net Past Value) formulae, I calculate...

Ted Doty

After some rude citizens commented, vORT's attorney sounded foolish. He tried to make the point that CC isn't a church because a large percentage of space dedicated to ancillary activities. The Church's expert responded that a parking lot takes up more square footage than m...

Craig Maier

Many people in this town will understand my thesis of CC growth calculations because they are quite bright. I calculated the growth of Christ Church using the classic NFV (Net Future Value) formulae. This is NOT a linear equation. Furthermore, one would no...

Ted Doty

First let me address Mr. Maier’s comments from Monday night. You profess to be an engineer and commented that CC grew from 500 to 5000 in ten years ergo, extending that linear growth rate, CC would have a congregation of 13,000 in 3 years. If you are an engineer, you can’t be a go...

Karen

Wow, we were on a free-speech roll there and kaboom! All over. Funny DMX100 called live2gether's post racist; I read it several times and don't see anything about race. Odd. Oh well, they also called me "ever ladylike" so I guess that says it all for DMX's credibility!

rockres23yrs

If the CC project goes through the town loses $630,000 per year in tax revenues. Can anyone imagine why the town would not be willing to spend this amount or less to pay for legal fees to prevent this traffic and environmental disaster? It would seem to be a fairly easy decision for the town to make.

Ted Doty

The rudeness continued after all had left the stage. When I arrived last night, I parked my van using two spaces, so that there would be enough room for the ramp that I need to gain access to my vehicle. At some point, Town councilman Max Rodgers decided to squeeze is truck between...

Lisa Salberg

Tonight had some high points and some lows. Those present know that one questioner was out of line and rather rude. The rest of the questions were rather well done. Not everyone is use to the format and some questions were placed at the wrong time, but will have their place later in t...

Lisa Salberg

I am encouraging all parties to forward any posts that appeared on the NJ.com message board that you believed to be inappropriate directly to Dean Betz at dbetz@nj.com If you have old posts saved that no longer appear in the achieve, please send them over, if you printed them out - fax them to 2...

Chuck Mueller

I was banned a couple of weeks ago after a few back and forths with TwitDavid. It only lasted a couple days though. Initially I was able to sign on with another acct, but then like Karen, my IP was banned and it didnt matter what acct I used. Besides being banned, I frequently was restricted for posting too...

Lisa Salberg

I was banned again from NJ.com - why I have no clue. I will post here instead! Todddavid, You have posted hundereds of times that I and members of VORT have lied. I have asked you to tell me what we have said that is a lie. Each time this request is made you change the topic. Either te...

Kim Jenkins

I was recently banned from NJ.com also. I was having a post feast with Todddavid and all of a sudden - GONE - I even tried to create a new screen name. but nothing. I forwarded this information to our web guy, although I haven't spoke with him yet. See eveyone Monday ...

Topic		Started By	Replies	Views	Last Post
	Why Attend the Hearings? (Preview) Why has Dimin encouraged people to come to the CC hearings? Can the decision of the board be affected one iota by the view of the residents of RT regarding this issue? Absolutely not. The laws that will govern the decision are already in place. Our democratic process involves choosing representa...	Democracy & The Law	21	549	Thu Feb 26 5:21 PM, 2004 by Chuck Mueller
	Urban Sprawl ? (Preview) The term "Urban-sprawl" has been thrown around so much that it appears to be a foregone conclusion. But there's no truth or proof of it at all. First, the land CC is buying has already been developed. And any company that movedin there would have had the option of expanding the facilty. RT already surre...	straight talk about	1	354	Thu Feb 26 1:28 PM, 2004 by Human Sprawl!
	NEW LIST OF VALID POSTS (Preview) Not sure how to make the other thread a sticky, so here's a new one.	Karen	9	553	Thu Feb 26 12:46 PM, 2004 by ks
	Load talkers -Sometimes you need to be out oforder (Preview) My Diatribe-sorry for the length I've been to the meetings. And I've written my letters and made my calls to the church. I've asked them if it was true that the statement made by Ireland did indeed come from his mouth that if the people of Rockaway don't want his compound here, then he won’t brin...	Mark B	5	438	Thu Feb 26 9:20 AM, 2004 by Maria
	Weekday Traffic (Preview) Hi all. I am no traffic genius, so some of this is confusing to me. I have pasted a previous post about the weeday traffic. What I am curious about, is I believe that the children going to this school will be dropped off by parents. This means it 2 way traffic on the road. Then they pick up the kids- ... >>>>>>>	Mark B	3	371	Wed Feb 25 10:27 PM, 2004 by Lisa Salberg
	Regretful (Preview) Ted's after meeting experience is regretful, if accurately reported. (Before you jump all over that statement Ted, remember that we know of many other inaccuracies in your posts in the past.) Although I wouldnt bother to give him the time of day myself because of the many hateful he has said to me, I wo...	Chuck Mueller	1	408	Wed Feb 25 9:17 PM, 2004 by Chuck Mueller
	STORE VALID POSTS HERE (Preview) Hey guys, since we're going to be keeping track of the posts that are deleted so they can be reported to the nj.com bosses, let's start doing this. Whenever you see a particularly interesting post (of course not inappropriate or dangerous or privacy-invading), copy the whole post and we'll stor...	karen	16	842	Wed Feb 25 6:57 PM, 2004 by ks
	I'm BACK (Preview) Still valid questions (never answered in public) Where is VORT’s traffic report? I have heard that they have one. Will they post the summary of it on their website? Why didn't they post the summary of the Urbitron study on their website? Why didn't they use number...	RockBoroMan	14	465	Wed Feb 25 6:31 PM, 2004 by Craig Maier
	Salaries of Clergymen (Preview) I did a little research at the US Department of Labor Statistics. I was able to identify Roman Catholic Priests as a category for which there were some statistics. I thought that some of you would appreciate knowing the numbers. These data are based on 2003 tax returns. M...	Craig Maier	6	427	Wed Feb 25 6:03 PM, 2004 by Craig Maier
	CC size in Perspective (Preview) Just to help put the physical size of Irelands grand plan to build this huge business out here on Green Pond Road, please consider the following: 1. His Present Church of 5000 members is 25,000 ft^2 2. He plans improve the Agilent property up to 412,000 ft^2 3. St. Peters Basilica in the Vatican i...	Craig Maier	2	376	Wed Feb 25 5:28 PM, 2004 by Craig Maier
	The Numbers on the Conservative Side (Preview) Using a much more conservative approach to the growth of the CC business, assume that it is only going to grow at 10% per year (a poor assumption based on its history and the magnitude of investment that Ireland is making here). The NFV equation yields the following projections: 1. In t...	Craig Maier	3	439	Wed Feb 25 2:52 PM, 2004 by Rocky
	Planning Board Question (Preview) I found Mr. Steck's analysis of the RT Master Plan interesting. While his comments about no clear definition of what a church is appear to be accurate, maybe it is because the master plan was last updated (1995 I think) before mega-churches as they are know even existed. If th...	RT11	3	374	Wed Feb 25 2:27 PM, 2004 by RT11
	Planning Board Question (Preview) I found Mr. Steck's analysis of the RT Master Plan interesting. While his comments about no clear definition of what a church is appear to be accurate, maybe it is because the master plan was last updated (1995 I think) before mega-churches as they are know even existed. If th...	RT11	0	372	Wed Feb 25 2:00 PM, 2004 by RT11
	The Numbers (Preview) This is to document my growth calculation results for CC which I used in my query of Ireland the other night: Given: Christ Church grew from 500 to 5000 members in 10 years. This comes from sworn testimony from Ireland Using a re-arrangement of the NPV (Net Past Value) formulae, I calculate...	Craig Maier	2	468	Wed Feb 25 2:00 PM, 2004 by Craig Maier
	vORT wasted its money (Preview) After some rude citizens commented, vORT's attorney sounded foolish. He tried to make the point that CC isn't a church because a large percentage of space dedicated to ancillary activities. The Church's expert responded that a parking lot takes up more square footage than m...	Ted Doty	8	560	Wed Feb 25 1:44 PM, 2004 by caps
	Growth Curves (Preview) Many people in this town will understand my thesis of CC growth calculations because they are quite bright. I calculated the growth of Christ Church using the classic NFV (Net Future Value) formulae. This is NOT a linear equation. Furthermore, one would no...	Craig Maier	2	492	Wed Feb 25 1:41 PM, 2004 by Kim
	Mr Maier (Preview) First let me address Mr. Maier’s comments from Monday night. You profess to be an engineer and commented that CC grew from 500 to 5000 in ten years ergo, extending that linear growth rate, CC would have a congregation of 13,000 in 3 years. If you are an engineer, you can’t be a go...	Ted Doty	2	457	Wed Feb 25 12:48 PM, 2004 by Doesn't Matter--
	Banned Again! (Preview) Wow, we were on a free-speech roll there and kaboom! All over. Funny DMX100 called live2gether's post racist; I read it several times and don't see anything about race. Odd. Oh well, they also called me "ever ladylike" so I guess that says it all for DMX's credibility!	Karen	9	483	Wed Feb 25 12:43 PM, 2004 by Asterisks!! WHAT?!
	dollars and sense (Preview) If the CC project goes through the town loses $630,000 per year in tax revenues. Can anyone imagine why the town would not be willing to spend this amount or less to pay for legal fees to prevent this traffic and environmental disaster? It would seem to be a fairly easy decision for the town to make.	rockres23yrs	3	525	Wed Feb 25 2:20 AM, 2004 by Craig Maier
	The "after party" (Preview) The rudeness continued after all had left the stage. When I arrived last night, I parked my van using two spaces, so that there would be enough room for the ramp that I need to gain access to my vehicle. At some point, Town councilman Max Rodgers decided to squeeze is truck between...	Ted Doty	1	598	Tue Feb 24 7:38 PM, 2004 by Karen
	feb, 23 recap (Preview) Tonight had some high points and some lows. Those present know that one questioner was out of line and rather rude. The rest of the questions were rather well done. Not everyone is use to the format and some questions were placed at the wrong time, but will have their place later in t...	Lisa Salberg	4	475	Tue Feb 24 1:18 PM, 2004 by karen
	NJ.com...report posts (Preview) I am encouraging all parties to forward any posts that appeared on the NJ.com message board that you believed to be inappropriate directly to Dean Betz at dbetz@nj.com If you have old posts saved that no longer appear in the achieve, please send them over, if you printed them out - fax them to 2...	Lisa Salberg	0	457	Tue Feb 24 11:43 AM, 2004 by Lisa Salberg
	Was Banned too (Preview) I was banned a couple of weeks ago after a few back and forths with TwitDavid. It only lasted a couple days though. Initially I was able to sign on with another acct, but then like Karen, my IP was banned and it didnt matter what acct I used. Besides being banned, I frequently was restricted for posting too...	Chuck Mueller	1	394	Mon Feb 23 6:58 PM, 2004 by karen
	Attempted to post this to NJ.com (Preview) I was banned again from NJ.com - why I have no clue. I will post here instead! Todddavid, You have posted hundereds of times that I and members of VORT have lied. I have asked you to tell me what we have said that is a lie. Each time this request is made you change the topic. Either te...	Lisa Salberg	0	409	Mon Feb 23 1:55 PM, 2004 by Lisa Salberg
	BANNED (Preview) I was recently banned from NJ.com also. I was having a post feast with Todddavid and all of a sudden - GONE - I even tried to create a new screen name. but nothing. I forwarded this information to our web guy, although I haven't spoke with him yet. See eveyone Monday ...	Kim Jenkins	2	461	Mon Feb 23 11:55 AM, 2004 by Kim Jenkins
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