The "All Opinions are Welcome, but Sorry no Instigators" Board - The "All Opinions are Welcome, but Sorry no Instigators" Board

Lisa Salberg

Yesterday I received a call from a woman in Roseland. There is a project before the board of Adjustments that is similar to the application before our planning board. A large church seeks to build on a 12 acres, the project is a relocation of 2 churches that are merging (one from Newark - th...

Craig Maier

Here is a general question to the community. Have you read about the proposed "Highlands Bill?" Should we support it given the cc situation? It looks to me like it may serve as an advantage to us to support it given our "dire straights" in RT with regards to cc, and it's...

Mark B.

We take a time out for a lighter moment...... Did anyone else chuckle during Wendy's mispronunciation, and tripping over "RLUIPA" last night??? I know it's lo-brow, but to me....it was funny. ERRRLOOOPER Like nails on a chalk board...her voice whines. Ok...now go back to yo...

Craig Maier

Here are my observations about last nights meeting: 1. I noticed three other guys sitting with the Ireland crew. One was up on the stage. Two others (who collaborated on several occasions) were sitting in the front row. 2. I suspect that these guys are from the Becket fund. 3. It se...

unassailable

Isn't it interesting how the four letter words start flying when unassailable points are being made? And then the Ted attacks start up. (as if Ted is even online right now!) But hey, I guess with "The Genius" as your leader, what else can be expected!

Tired of Septics

One of the prior posts mentioned already approved projects in the Green Pond area. Does anyone know if there is any hope that sewer lines could be extended on Green Pond Road north of Meridan? The Hibernia and Telemark areas could really use them.

BJR

--------------------------------------------------------Consultant: Mega-church not allowed By Rob Jennings, Daily Record DENVILLE -- Rockaway Township's zoning ordinances do not per...

Observer

Where was everybody? Oh, wait, I know why there was hardly anybody there, it was because of the weather. That's it! There was a bit of mist in the air and there were predictions of a possible thunderstorm. People were afraid to come out, otherwise there would have been m...

Lisa Salberg

Last night was an interesting meeting with an expansion on the discussion over the land use definition of "church". It was made very clear that with in the art of planning new situations develop that require attention. In 1995 a Mega-Church was not listed in a dictionary, or any plannin...

Questions

Has Marci Hamilton 'officially' joined the Rockaway Legal Team? Will she be at tonight's meeting?

Mark B.

I sent an email to Marci Hamiton, and she replied. I thought I would share it with you. ----- Hello Ms. Hamilton, I am hoping you have been made aware of the current struggle Rockaway Township is experiencing because of RLUIPA, and a mega-church that has a contract on a piece of land in our town. ...

Hypothetical

Lets say a location was found (not in RT) that was VERY LARGE and had close, multi-lane highway access. This location could easily be modified to accommodate 25,000 people. And there was a 5000 member church that wanted to move there. Well, this would be a perfect location fo...

chillin

Can't we all relax and just enjoy 420...

Rick S

Completed Precincts: 5 of 5 (100.00%) Vote Count Percent Yes 909 50.56% No 889 49.44% Total 1,798 100.00% Rockaway Twp Board of Ed 2 Completed Precincts: 5 of 5 (100.00%) Vote Count Percent Susan Shan...

Ack

Phooey

Admin

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The Professor

"Opponents of RLUIPA argue not only that Congress lacked the authority to pass the law, but also that the Act itself violates the Establishment Clause by favoring religious uses of land. However, only under a strict separationist theory does RLUIPA even approach offending this prohibition. Unde...

Kim Jenkins

PLANNING BOARD MEETING WEDNESDAY, APRIL 21, 2004 APPLICANT: CHRIST CHURCH/AGILENT PROPERTY PLACE: MORRIS KNOLLS HIGH SCHOOL AUDITORIUM TIME: 8 PM LET'S SHOW HOW THE RESIDENTS OF ROCKAWAY TOWNSHIP SUPPORTS THE TOWN... THANK YOU KIM JENKINS

Mat

"Others (maybe 20 percent of the town) will consider my option and become their own church (it is so very easy to do) and reap the same benefits as Ireland in terms of tax exempt status and immunity from zoning laws. " Craig, that sounds like a great way to avoid taxes and put more money in y...

truth??

I was in a conversation with a person I work with, I had no idea they have been a member of CC for several years. I said that I was shocked that they had not mentioned it sooner as they know I live in Rockaway Twp. His responce was nothing short of shocking...he said - I know that is why I did not sa...

No Joke

Back to Basics

Clearly, the residents of RT have many reasons why they would prefer that CC not locate within their township. And while these reasons are worth debate, are any of them relevant to the decidion making body that will have the first legal say as to what will happen here? Residents: We don't want to supp...

Mat

My opinion? RLUIPA Stands. CC moves in. They might grow eventually, but so will the surrounding area. Just like many other parts of NJ. No location will permanently be a 'country area'. Only the most naive among us believe otherwise. People desiring solitude wi...

Craig Maier

The town well not only resides on Agilents property, but feeds the Agilent site. When 25,000 people start attending services in the next 5 years (my opinion on these numbers) will the well, well pump power, and well tank capacity be able to handle the tremendous peak loading?&nb...

Craig Maier

I wanted to present some more detailed "adjunct" opinions regarding the effect of cc on RT. These are strictly my opinion and not that of VORT nor anyone else in RT as far as I know. 1. The cc, if approved, will grow to 25,000 members in no more than 5 years after approval. My opinion only. 2. The...

Topic		Started By	Replies	Views	Last Post
	Roseland (Preview) Yesterday I received a call from a woman in Roseland. There is a project before the board of Adjustments that is similar to the application before our planning board. A large church seeks to build on a 12 acres, the project is a relocation of 2 churches that are merging (one from Newark - th...	Lisa Salberg	7	358	Fri Apr 23 5:35 PM, 2004 by GHT yoo DIK!
	Highlands Bill (Preview) Here is a general question to the community. Have you read about the proposed "Highlands Bill?" Should we support it given the cc situation? It looks to me like it may serve as an advantage to us to support it given our "dire straights" in RT with regards to cc, and it's...	Craig Maier	6	341	Fri Apr 23 8:59 AM, 2004 by Fyrral
	ERRLURPER-this topic for Wendy's mispronunciations (Preview) We take a time out for a lighter moment...... Did anyone else chuckle during Wendy's mispronunciation, and tripping over "RLUIPA" last night??? I know it's lo-brow, but to me....it was funny. ERRRLOOOPER Like nails on a chalk board...her voice whines. Ok...now go back to yo...	Mark B.	12	411	Thu Apr 22 4:09 PM, 2004 by Mark B.
	My Conjecture (Preview) Here are my observations about last nights meeting: 1. I noticed three other guys sitting with the Ireland crew. One was up on the stage. Two others (who collaborated on several occasions) were sitting in the front row. 2. I suspect that these guys are from the Becket fund. 3. It se...	Craig Maier	5	450	Thu Apr 22 3:46 PM, 2004 by Karen
	Effin' this and Effin' that! (Preview) Isn't it interesting how the four letter words start flying when unassailable points are being made? And then the Ted attacks start up. (as if Ted is even online right now!) But hey, I guess with "The Genius" as your leader, what else can be expected!	unassailable	3	323	Thu Apr 22 3:20 PM, 2004 by Das Leader
	Sewer Lines (Preview) One of the prior posts mentioned already approved projects in the Green Pond area. Does anyone know if there is any hope that sewer lines could be extended on Green Pond Road north of Meridan? The Hibernia and Telemark areas could really use them.	Tired of Septics	16	431	Thu Apr 22 1:29 PM, 2004 by Hey hypocrit
	Daily Record Today (Preview) --------------------------------------------------------Consultant: Mega-church not allowed By Rob Jennings, Daily Record DENVILLE -- Rockaway Township's zoning ordinances do not per...	BJR	3	412	Thu Apr 22 11:02 AM, 2004 by Karen
	Only 175 people?? (Preview) Where was everybody? Oh, wait, I know why there was hardly anybody there, it was because of the weather. That's it! There was a bit of mist in the air and there were predictions of a possible thunderstorm. People were afraid to come out, otherwise there would have been m...	Observer	11	347	Thu Apr 22 9:06 AM, 2004 by Fyrral
	April 21st meeting (Preview) Last night was an interesting meeting with an expansion on the discussion over the land use definition of "church". It was made very clear that with in the art of planning new situations develop that require attention. In 1995 a Mega-Church was not listed in a dictionary, or any plannin...	Lisa Salberg	4	326	Thu Apr 22 8:46 AM, 2004 by Not funny / not true
	Marci (Preview) Has Marci Hamilton 'officially' joined the Rockaway Legal Team? Will she be at tonight's meeting?	Questions	3	385	Thu Apr 22 5:21 AM, 2004 by Ruloopah
	My e-mail conversation with Marci Hamilton (Preview) I sent an email to Marci Hamiton, and she replied. I thought I would share it with you. ----- Hello Ms. Hamilton, I am hoping you have been made aware of the current struggle Rockaway Township is experiencing because of RLUIPA, and a mega-church that has a contract on a piece of land in our town. ...	Mark B.	22	639	Wed Apr 21 7:54 PM, 2004 by can't wait
	Great new location? (Preview) Lets say a location was found (not in RT) that was VERY LARGE and had close, multi-lane highway access. This location could easily be modified to accommodate 25,000 people. And there was a 5000 member church that wanted to move there. Well, this would be a perfect location fo...	Hypothetical	7	368	Wed Apr 21 2:20 PM, 2004 by Karen
	Happy Holiday... (Preview) Can't we all relax and just enjoy 420...	chillin	6	415	Wed Apr 21 12:18 PM, 2004 by Bob Marley
	BOE results (unofficial) (Preview) Completed Precincts: 5 of 5 (100.00%) Vote Count Percent Yes 909 50.56% No 889 49.44% Total 1,798 100.00% Rockaway Twp Board of Ed 2 Completed Precincts: 5 of 5 (100.00%) Vote Count Percent Susan Shan...	Rick S	0	391	Tue Apr 20 11:02 PM, 2004 by Rick S
	Hack (Preview) Phooey	Ack	0	363	Tue Apr 20 4:02 PM, 2004 by Ack
	Private message Thread for Karen & Craig (Preview) This thread is for communications between Karen & Craig and others who want to be involved with Flyer distribution.	Admin	7	376	Tue Apr 20 1:43 PM, 2004 by Craig Maier
	RLUIPA not likely to be overturned (Preview) "Opponents of RLUIPA argue not only that Congress lacked the authority to pass the law, but also that the Act itself violates the Establishment Clause by favoring religious uses of land. However, only under a strict separationist theory does RLUIPA even approach offending this prohibition. Unde...	The Professor	17	808	Tue Apr 20 12:56 PM, 2004 by Supreme Court
	MEETING REMINDER (Preview) *PLANNING BOARD MEETING* *WEDNESDAY, APRIL 21, 2004* *APPLICANT: CHRIST CHURCH/AGILENT PROPERTY* *PLACE: MORRIS KNOLLS HIGH SCHOOL AUDITORIUM* *TIME: 8 PM* *LET'S SHOW HOW THE RESIDENTS OF ROCKAWAY TOWNSHIP SUPPORTS* *THE TOWN...* *THANK YOU* *KIM JENKINS*	Kim Jenkins	12	361	Tue Apr 20 12:47 PM, 2004 by Craig Maier
	Become a Church, Craig? ( 1 2 ) (Preview) "Others (maybe 20 percent of the town) will consider my option and become their own church (it is so very easy to do) and reap the same benefits as Ireland in terms of tax exempt status and immunity from zoning laws. " Craig, that sounds like a great way to avoid taxes and put more money in y...	Mat	33	1597	Tue Apr 20 9:03 AM, 2004 by Good for us!
	what the people of CC think?? (Preview) I was in a conversation with a person I work with, I had no idea they have been a member of CC for several years. I said that I was shocked that they had not mentioned it sooner as they know I live in Rockaway Twp. His responce was nothing short of shocking...he said - I know that is why I did not sa...	truth??	3	340	Tue Apr 20 9:02 AM, 2004 by Kim Jenkins
	Another Holiday Greeting (Preview)	No Joke	13	423	Mon Apr 19 4:52 PM, 2004 by
	RT Residents vs. Planning Board (Preview) Clearly, the residents of RT have many reasons why they would prefer that CC not locate within their township. And while these reasons are worth debate, are any of them relevant to the decidion making body that will have the first legal say as to what will happen here? Residents: We don't want to supp...	Back to Basics	3	328	Mon Apr 19 3:45 PM, 2004 by Craig Maier
	My Opinion (Preview) My opinion? RLUIPA Stands. CC moves in. They might grow eventually, but so will the surrounding area. Just like many other parts of NJ. No location will permanently be a 'country area'. Only the most naive among us believe otherwise. People desiring solitude wi...	Mat	11	378	Mon Apr 19 11:21 AM, 2004 by karen
	Some Questions to Consider (Preview) The town well not only resides on Agilents property, but feeds the Agilent site. When 25,000 people start attending services in the next 5 years (my opinion on these numbers) will the well, well pump power, and well tank capacity be able to handle the tremendous peak loading?&nb...	Craig Maier	1	304	Sun Apr 18 12:31 PM, 2004 by rockres23yrs
	Some Adjunct Opinions about cc's effect on RT (Preview) I wanted to present some more detailed "adjunct" opinions regarding the effect of cc on RT. These are strictly my opinion and not that of VORT nor anyone else in RT as far as I know. 1. The cc, if approved, will grow to 25,000 members in no more than 5 years after approval. My opinion only. 2. The...	Craig Maier	0	326	Sun Apr 18 1:01 AM, 2004 by Craig Maier
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