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Bystander

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Discussion: Free Speech


 


(( [copied from another thread] ...you're not getting banned from this board... because it's a  free speech board... So you're safe.... ))



Karen, thanks for hanging in there re keeping to the free speech concept. Would the concept of free speech be compromised were there to be forum rules/guidelines insofar as profanity, name-calling, abusiveness and personal attacks?


I think the messageboard would likely cease to exist and eventually just close down were that to happen, though. There doesn't seem to be much else going on here than the incessant bashing.


Thoughts anyone?


My .02,



-B.



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Ted Doty

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I believe one person was banned and even if he/she wasn't, its not truly free speech ...for everyone that is.


For example, I posted anonymously but Karen's hubby decided to reveal my identity. Yet when I was threatened with physical violence clueless karen and her gutless husband sat silent


The name"free Speech is a joke.



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I agree

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This board has turned into a bashing site. I don't understand why people give so much time to a loon. Instead they should be reading the Daily Record letters to the editor today and see what people are saying about us. What happened to the fight? Or have we dropped the fight against CC and started one against someone else. Get your priorities straight. If we lose sight of what we want to accomplish, then we may as well forget saving RT.

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Ted Doty

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It's not that the voRTies have given up, it's just that Lisa and crew took a shot and failed.


We're all just waiting for the new ,yet feeble last ditch effort



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Poor ted

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ted doty: "I was threatened with physical violence"

poor teddy weddy...wahhhh...time to change the doty in your diaper

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Bystander

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To: TD et al...


(( ... I posted anonymously but ... reveal my identity... ))


I realize you're the only person who's had their identity revealed on this messageboard ... and that's unfortunate in and of itself (imo) ... I think each and every identity should be revealed as a result of the one-time it was done (in similar fashion as to how your identify was revealed)  ... It would be interesting to see how many nicknames actually link up to one ISP (or not) ... I think it might cut down a LOT on the never-ending bashing that goes on here, too... Although it's probably easy to work around by posting from different locations.


(( The name"free Speech is a joke ))


Are you saying this because OF that one time when your identity was revealed ??  I can't recall having seen anything that's not been allowed to be discussed here.  So far as I can tell, anything's allowed to be discussed ... it's how that's REPLIED to that's the problem here, in my view (experience speaking).


Hence my return to the concept of forum rules/guidelines with regards to manners and netiquette.  Would requesting civility and netiquette (via rules and guidelines) impact on the no-holds-barred bashing (aka free speech) that currently runs rampant here??


 



-B.



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to bystander

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RE: Discussion: Free Speech




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bill gates

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RE: To: TD et al...


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Originally posted by: Bystander

"(( ... I posted anonymously but ... reveal my identity... )) I realize you're the only person who's had their identity revealed on this messageboard ... and that's unfortunate in and of itself (imo) ... I think each and every identity should be revealed as a result of the one-time it was done (in similar fashion as to how your identify was revealed)  ... It would be interesting to see how many nicknames actually link up to one ISP (or not) ... I think it might cut down a LOT on the never-ending bashing that goes on here, too... Although it's probably easy to work around by posting from different locations. (( The name"free Speech is a joke )) Are you saying this because OF that one time when your identity was revealed ??  I can't recall having seen anything that's not been allowed to be discussed here.  So far as I can tell, anything's allowed to be discussed ... it's how that's REPLIED to that's the problem here, in my view (experience speaking). Hence my return to the concept of forum rules/guidelines with regards to manners and netiquette.  Would requesting civility and netiquette (via rules and guidelines) impact on the no-holds-barred bashing (aka free speech) that currently runs rampant here??   -B."


BOLL****E!!!  Ted was never revealled! Anyone who knows anything about Internet Message Boards knows that all an Admin can gather is the IP address and the ISP the user is on. Beyond that (names, etc) must be obtained thru court order.


 


ONCE AGAIN, TED YOU FREAK, YOU ARE CAUGHT LIEING!!! LEAVE!! GO TO MONTCLAIT...DON'T GO AWAY MAD....JUST GO AWAY!



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Bystander

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RE: Discussion: Free Speech


From the archives: The Truth About Maier
Original post date: Mar 6


(excerpt) --


RE: The truth about Maier
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the IP of the poster named "Guess Who" is:
68.196.77.163
IP Match from message:



RE: A Simple Analysis of Ted Doty
Ted Doty 68.196.77.163


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It's not a DIRECT reveal of identity but it is a MATCH of an anonymous poster with a 'named' poster ... I wonder what would be revealed were the same thing to be done with OTHER postings throughout this messageboard? (rhetorical question) ... are there some people out there who MIGHT even be using the nickname "Ted Doty" to post scandalous messages ??  No way to know for sure unless the ISP's are matched/linked together.



In any case, I really don't care about the specifics and details of this particular situation ... there clearly appears to be a problem between T.D. and some of the people in RT that extends way beyond the scope of this messageboard ... no argument there.


It's the toilet talk and potty language that some anonymous posters use that is more disgusting than anything else and that is what I was trying to address with this discussion.   The people, whoever they are, who use such language and personal attacks (T.D. included) are less in my eyes, than anyone else who makes their point WITHOUT resorting down to that level of communication.


(shrug) ... such is the way it is.


Bash away, folks  ... get those (yawning, evileye and frowing) icons going!!




-B.



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no sense of humor

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Ted DOTY

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The people, whoever they are, who use such language (T.D. included) are less in my eyes, than anyone else who makes their point WITHOUT resorting down to that level of communication.


For the record, I have never used profanity or relied on name calling unless it is PROVEN fact.

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Seacrest...out!

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Hey b - that position might make it a little difficult to "see the forest through the trees"...

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What??????????

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Originally posted by: Ted DOTY

"For the record, I have never used profanity or relied on name calling unless it is PROVEN fact."


 


 


Have you read your posts today????????  Get a grip man,  you must not have a conscience.



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Ted Doty

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Originally posted by: What??????????

"     Have you read your posts today????????  Get a grip man,  you must not have a conscience."

I've read them ALL and I defy you to point out even one violation.  I know you can't

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Bystander

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To: Seacrest ... Out!!


How ya' doin' ?? ... Been wondering if/when I'd be hearin' from you!!!



 


-B.



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What??????

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Originally posted by: Ted DOTY

"For the record, I have never used profanity or relied on name calling unless it is PROVEN fact."


So voRT has racists (like Mueller), religous bigots, blowhards, liars and cowardly tough guys.  Do any one of you care about Rockaway TWP? 


Lisa, you sound depressed


That must have been a crushing blow since you, your husband and the Jenkins unsuccessfully tried to hijack the facilities committee. 


Lisa, please put away the Prozac and deal with your loss in a responsible manner. I suggest you read Dr. Ireland's book "Failure is not Written in Pencil" to help you overcome your current depressed state of mind.


Here's why Lisa Salberg failed in her attempt to derail the Christ Church application:



 




  • She repeatedly used lies and deception to build support for the now-defunct VORT

  • She misled herself and others to believe she was a savior for the community

  • She constantly stuck her foot way deep in her mouth

  • Her oversized ego got the best of her

  • Much to the chagrin of her masters (Sceusi, Rogers, etc.), she had the uncanny ability to singlehandly turned VORT into a disasterous liability

  • She was an amateur trying to do a professional's job

  • She was a bully who liked to pick fights

  • Most of the people in town were repelled by her obnoxious behavior

  • She failed to denounce the malicious rantings of Craig Maier


Thankfully, she has resigned her position with VORT (There haven't been any denials so we can safely assume it's the truth) and has crawled back under that slimy rock where she can no longer do further harm to this community.
 


A few reckless statements by Lying Lisa and her refusal to denounce the bigoted comments from the voRT fan club was all it took. Her boss, Lying Lou told her to clam up.


 


No one can sink lower than Lying Lisa...no one.


 


Look, Lisa was big mouthed enough to get herself into this, why are you defending her.  SHE LIED TO YOU GUYS, don't you get it?


Of course he's just a  blowhard.


At least those weren't physical threats...misguided perhaps but alot easier to take than the words of that COWARD who threatened to put his fist in my mouth ...up to his elbow.  What a worm...even lower than lying Lisa; Now that's low


Hey Clueless haven't you kept up?  The person who threatened violence but wouldn't sign a name is coward.  My adress and phone number are listed. 



 


Hey Clueless don't for get to have your hubby trace the IP.


I predict that you'll continue your clueless chatter. You just don't know when to quit.



 


Further, your guttless husband, who thought it clever to reveal my IP address, will remain silent now that it involves a threat of physical violence.



 


Finally, I predict that Lying Lisa wil no longer be heard from.  She had her 15 and she's going home to bake cookies.   



I doubt that anyone believes thay Sceusi isn't running the show.  Or that Lou isn't politically motivated


ah, especially Lou.The northern section of ward 5, and ward 6 are his political base.  That area is aalso the home of the CC opposition.


Regardless of his personal feelings, Lou needs to support or give the appearance of support to the voRT fools 


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Well, where should I stop.  I'm sure I could find more and copy & paste.  What do you think?


It looks like to me . that you are NAME CALLING........



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Ted Doty

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Those that I've called a liar, are liars.  It's documented fact


Karen's husband IS by any standard, a coward...even he knows that.


Now compare with what I've been called.



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Karen

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Point out the lies.


Not items that the church had on their website, and corrected later...


...but LIES, Ted.


And I challenge your pathetic ass to point out the cowardice in my husband.



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wHAT???????

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Originally posted by: Ted Doty
"Those that I've called a liar, are liars.  It's documented fact Karen's husband IS by any standard, a coward...even he knows that. Now compare with what I've been called."


Where is your proof?


 


I believe you Mr. Ted Doty have gone too far.  My opinion is that your posts should be deleted.  There is FREE SPEECH, but your type of speech is not FREE - but rude, obnoxious and vulgar.


Mr Doty, by all means, find somewhere else to vent your anger.


 


Mr & Mrs Stark,  take my advise, delete his posts and ban him from the board.  He is not here for FREE SPEECH - only for his personal adjenda and attacks.



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Ditto

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Ditto to above...


AND,,,ummm Am I not mistaken ...was not Mr. Stark a member of the Military??? Did he not fight to defend this country?


Mr. Doty you are a fool of epic proportions



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The monster under the bed

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No , thats just what he wants. Let him rant and rave, until his credibility is lower than nothing. Mr. Doty needs to hit real bottom before he seeks help. Maybe 3 cerdits will give him a discount.




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Ted Doty

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Proof??? have you ever heard Lisa speak?  The truth stops as soon as she says "hello, my name is Lisa



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WHAT??????

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Originally posted by: Ted Doty

"Proof??? have you ever heard Lisa speak?  The truth stops as soon as she says "hello, my name is Lisa"

Where is your proof???????? Do you have it documented???

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Ted Doty

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Originally posted by: WHAT??????
"Do you have it documented???"


Ah....yea.  so do you, ifyou read



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sad....

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Ted can not answer the question because he is the only one telling lies!


Keep the tears coming Ted



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Mr. Stark

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Originally posted by: Ted Doty

"I believe one person was banned and even if he/she wasn't, its not truly free speech ...for everyone that is.
For example, I posted anonymously but Karen's hubby decided to reveal my identity. Yet when I was threatened with physical violence clueless karen and her gutless husband sat silent
The name"free Speech is a joke.
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Rolling thunder - Sorry to burst your little bubble but if anyone on this guestbook was going to be banned, it would be you. Every other poster on here at least attempts to make a point for their argument, you on the other hand just babble for attention. I pity you.

I love that you are crying about me "outing you". You should have thought about it a little more thoroughly before you slandered someone. Don’t try to make me the bad guy here, you are the imbecile that made baseless accusations and almost had your wheelchair ceased to pay restitution. I love the thought of Craig riding back and forth in front of your house in your chair.

I’m gutless, hmmm. It seams to me that you are the one hiding behind your little disability. You’re not a man, men attempt to make things better, not cry about them.

I hope your gimp disease causes you a slow painful death. You scumbag.


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Ted Doty

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Originally posted by: Mr. Stark
"  I love that you are crying about me "outing you". You should have thought about it a little more thoroughly before you slandered someone.


I slandered no one, if I did I would have been sued...I wasn't.  The blowhard, as is he's nature probably did speak to a lawyer however nothing happened.


Don’t try to make me the bad guy here, you are the imbecile that made baseless accusations and almost had your wheelchair ceased to pay restitution.


Not even close.  BTW you are the bad guy...er coward


I’m gutless, hmmm.


Yes you are


I hope your gimp disease causes you a slow painful death. You scumbag. "


How nice, so very nice



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Karen

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He's gutless because he doesn't get all mealy-mouthed, politically-correct, mamby-pamby around you, an obnoxious as-shole who deserves (yes, more than ever) to be put over my knee for a good one, but you happen to be in a wheelchair.


Which gives you the right to say anything you want about anybody without worrying about repercussions, right, Ted?


Such a shock that someone would get so pis-sed off that they'd actually say rude things to you, is it?


Or is it your plan all along.


Better hurry and call Rob! This would make great headlines!


"Local man in wheelchair ridiculed after begging for it for nearly a year"


Tough s-hit, Doty. You dish it out.



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Ted=Sad Man

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Although I do not know Mr. Stark, I will say he is not gutless. he is a better man than me. i would have banned Ted's sorry @ss a long time ago. He adds no value to this forum, or our town for that matter.


Ted, your lucky the people you are slandering are civil. Perhaps you and Ireland can share the police escort to  your car or the john for personal safety.



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Bystander

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(( My opinion is that your posts should be deleted.  There is FREE SPEECH, but your type of speech is not FREE - but rude, obnoxious and vulgar. ))



There are many posts that contain rudeness, obnoxiousness and vulgarity ... NOT just this one person's ...



To be fair - if even one is deleted, then all posts containing rudeness, vulgarity and obnoxiousness should be deleted. Wow - that should more than HALF the size of the messageboard, I think !!!!



Boy oh boy oh boy ... how sad that this thread ended up much as all the rest of them do ...


 


 


-B.



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