CC Referendum - The "All Opinions are Welcome, but Sorry no Instigators" Board

Date: Tue Jun 1 8:17 PM, 2004

CC Referendum

Date: Tue Jun 1 8:49 PM, 2004

[whisper] hey genius, Ireland ain't here.

Date: Tue Jun 1 8:53 PM, 2004

pssssst!

Go whisper in his ear about the proposal, Russ/Matthew!

Date: Tue Jun 1 11:15 PM, 2004

I do recall the rev publicly acknowleging that if his brand of Mega-Religion was not welcome in RT, then he certainly would not pursue this land.

Thou shall not tell a lie...

Date: Wed Jun 2 7:36 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Slim Shady
"I do recall the rev publicly acknowleging that if his brand of Mega-Religion was not welcome in RT, then he certainly would not pursue this land. Thou shall not tell a lie..."

This "quote" has been tossed around a lot. Was it in the papers?

Please provide a valid source or reference for it.

Date: Wed Jun 2 8:36 AM, 2004

That I heard him say that at the first meeting at Copeland.

Date: Wed Jun 2 8:46 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Seems to me
"That I heard him say that at the first meeting at Copeland."

That was probably before CC realized that it is bigots like you that are teh vocal opponents. "Most in town" are fine with the church!

Date: Wed Jun 2 9:08 AM, 2004

a bigot and how dare you call me one! You don't even know me.

CC was asking for a fight from the start. What town in their right mind would want this mega campus in the midst of their town? One that will cause such total distruction of the infrastructure, cost the town much in added expenses, boggle the roads and all for those not belonging to the town. So Ireland should never had said it, not with RT or any other town that does not have members in his megachurch.

Date: Wed Jun 2 9:51 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Craig Maier
"Tell ya what, Ireland - - - how 'bout we run a Referendum here in RT. If the town votes in favor of your plans, we let it all happen - - - the whole Magilla. If we vote against it, you guys go and find some other town to pillage. Is that a deal? If not, why not? Craig"

Craig,

Why wait, set up your own voting system. Just make sure there is a way to track the true township voters (one vote per customer) and prevent the CC shills from from accessing the system tainting the results.

http://www.zoomerang.com/login/index.zgi

Date: Wed Jun 2 9:53 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: quote
" This "quote" has been tossed around a lot. Was it in the papers? Please provide a valid source or reference for it."

I believe he said this in a meeting with other township clergymen. It was not a public forum, so nothing is on record.

Will there be an oportunity to call him on the carpet for this statement at a future planning board meeting?

Date: Wed Jun 2 9:57 AM, 2004

BJR -

We could set up a poll but that is not the same as an official moderated referendum. As you intimate, how do you keep the shills out with a poll? Any help with this general concept would be appreciated. Maybe we just need to float a petition and get enough signatures in order to put it on a township ballot. I do not know much about civics or government and do not know how to go about this sort of thing.

Date: Wed Jun 2 10:01 AM, 2004

To Hey Genius (aka Russ/Matthew)-

Since most people in town are just fine with this megabusiness, you should not have any problems with a referendum on the issue.

Date: Wed Jun 2 11:08 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Hey Genius NOT
"a bigot and how dare you call me one! You don't even know me. "

Well, since the person who called you that couldn't possibly know who you are, since you posted anonymously, then I guess they felt free to assume who you were. Happens all the time here, no?

I see lots of matt/todd/russ/ireland name calling by the town loon. Have you missed those posts? Loony has no idea who those people are, yet he dares to make accusations and lob insults at assumed identities. He really has no idea who he's talking to.

So now it happens in a small way to you and you are outraged?

Methinks this forum may be a bit too rough for you.

Date: Wed Jun 2 11:09 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Seems to me
"That I heard him say that at the first meeting at Copeland."

You heard 'him' say it at that meeting? I don't think Ireland was at that meeting.

Date: Wed Jun 2 11:10 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: BJR
" Will there be an oportunity to call him on the carpet for this statement at a future planning board meeting?"

Nope. 'Cause it has nothing to do with the application. Sorry.

Date: Wed Jun 2 11:16 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Craig Maier
"BJR - We could set up a poll but that is not the same as an official moderated referendum. As you intimate, how do you keep the shills out with a poll? Any help with this general concept would be appreciated. Maybe we just need to float a petition and get enough signatures in order to put it on a township ballot. I do not know much about civics or government and do not know how to go about this sort of thing. "

What would be the point? Such a vote would have no bearing on the application or any legal proceedings. It would be useless. As are many of the points being made in this forum by the opposers (fyrral excluded).

Date: Wed Jun 2 11:16 AM, 2004

That is right. He probably has a legal right to take over this town if he has the assets to do so. That is, of course, unless we get as clever or more clever than he has been.

Date: Wed Jun 2 11:18 AM, 2004

Such a referendum would have no legal implications. However, it would express the wishes of his benefactors (the members of RT). Given that, the ultimate outcome of the Referendum coupled with Irleands actions will go to the character of Ireland. At least we will have some confirmation as to what he is made of.

Date: Wed Jun 2 11:58 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Craig Maier
"Such a referendum would have no legal implications. However, it would express the wishes of his benefactors (the members of RT). Given that, the ultimate outcome of the Referendum coupled with Irleands actions will go to the character of Ireland. At least we will have some confirmation as to what he is made of."

If by benefactors you mean those who could possibly benefit from the many outreach ministries at CC, you'd have to include all of northern NJ. Coincidentally, this is the same demographic served by the Rockaway Townsquare Mall.

Date: Wed Jun 2 12:09 PM, 2004

Russ,

You make me sick to my stomach. Go join the cc demographic and live in Montclair or Irvington.

Date: Wed Jun 2 12:11 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: benefactors
"If by benefactors you mean those who could possibly benefit from the many outreach ministries at CC, you'd have to include all of northern NJ. Coincidentally, this is the same demographic served by the Rockaway Townsquare Mall."

RT has enough "outreach programs" to aid ALL of the RESIDENTS of RT and surrounding towns...

if irelands flock needs these programs...he should provide them in a vacinity that is convenient for THEM to attend...not in the middle of OUR town...

we don't need/want ireland's outreach...we need to preserve our roads, environment and taxes...

Date: Wed Jun 2 12:17 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Craig Maier
"Russ, You make me sick to my stomach. Go join the cc demographic and live in Montclair or Irvington."

No Russ here, fella. Although I think you might have a stomach virus. Better get that checked out.

Oh, and by the way, they cleaned your clock with that last post about demographics. You had no response to it. But how could you, it was a good point.

Date: Wed Jun 2 12:21 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Maria
"
RT has enough "outreach programs" to aid ALL of the RESIDENTS of RT and surrounding towns...

Really? List them.

if irelands flock needs these programs...he should provide them in a vacinity that is convenient for THEM to attend...not in the middle of OUR town...

This is what you don't seem to understand. CC members don't need many of these programs, they are for non-members. The members are the ones that volunteer their time and serve in these programs. Apparently that's a concept that's foreign to you.

we don't need/want ireland's outreach...we need to preserve our roads, environment and taxes...

sorry, taxes are out. You keep forgetting that. Such a short memory . Enviromental regs will be followed. Roads will be safe. Just like around the mall.

"

Date: Wed Jun 2 12:29 PM, 2004

hey outreach...

Date: Wed Jun 2 12:40 PM, 2004

RE: CC Referendum

Date: Wed Jun 2 12:41 PM, 2004

My neighbor mentioned the "If they don't want us, we won't come" statement to me, saying she read it in one of the local papers, the Neighbor News or Citizen.

Date: Wed Jun 2 12:44 PM, 2004

So, lets just run the Referendum just for 'ha-ha's'. Anyone know what is required to do it? We probably need to circulate a petition to get a "critical mass" in order to put it on the ballot, I would assume. But I really do not know.

Date: Wed Jun 2 2:40 PM, 2004

I can't think of a way to keep the shills out of a poll besides requiring the pollsters to include their name and address. Some may have an issue with that, especially on a web based system.

I guess the only way to do this would be door to door with two petitions, one against and one for. Probably only need one sheet of paper for the later.

Date: Wed Jun 2 2:43 PM, 2004

Regarding the comments on why bother, it has nothing to do with the application;

I think it has everything to do with the application. It will show Ireland's true character. A lying con-man who preys on those seeking spiritual uplifting for his own profit and power. He doesn't give a shat about RT residents or his exisiting congregants. If he did, he would explore alternate plans and abandon this one.

So actually, we don't need to prove anything here. His actions have already spoken for themselves. Seems the only supporters he has in town are the villiage idiot and an insurance cheat. Yeah you're in good company.

Date: Wed Jun 2 2:47 PM, 2004

Yeah, I think that is probably the first step in such a process. Ultimately, it would be nice to get it on the ballet, but I do not know how many door to door petitioners we would need. Does anyone? Certainly, we would be available to go door to door to obtain signatures.

Craig and Marla