Newsweek magazine ran an article in its January 11, 1999, issue headed "Saddam + Bin Laden?" "Here's what is known so far," it read:
Saddam Hussein, who has a long record of supporting terrorism, is trying to rebuild his intelligence network overseas--assets that would allow him to establish a terrorism network. U.S. sources say he is reaching out to Islamic terrorists, including some who may be linked to Osama bin Laden, the wealthy Saudi exile accused of masterminding the bombing of two U.S. embassies in Africa last summer.
Four days later, on January 15, 1999, ABC News reported that three intelligence agencies believed that Saddam had offered asylum to bin Laden.
Intelligence sources say bin Laden's long relationship with the Iraqis began as he helped Sudan's fundamentalist government in their efforts to acquire weapons of mass destruction. . . . ABC News has learned that in December, an Iraqi intelligence chief named Faruq Hijazi, now Iraq's ambassador to Turkey, made a secret trip to Afghanistan to meet with bin Laden. Three intelligence agencies tell ABC News they cannot be certain what was discussed, but almost certainly, they say, bin Laden has been told he would be welcome in Baghdad.
NPR reporter Mike Shuster interviewed Vincent Cannistraro, former head of the CIA's counterterrorism center, and offered this report.
Iraq's contacts with bin Laden go back some years, to at least 1994, when, according to one U.S. government source, Hijazi met him when bin Laden lived in Sudan. According to Cannistraro, Iraq invited bin Laden to live in Baghdad to be nearer to potential targets of terrorist attack in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. . . . Some experts believe bin Laden might be tempted to live in Iraq because of his reported desire to obtain chemical or biological weapons. CIA Director George Tenet referred to that in recent testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee when he said bin Laden was planning additional attacks on American targets.
In the spring of 1998--well before the U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa--the Clinton administration indicted Osama bin Laden. The indictment, unsealed a few months later, prominently cited al Qaeda's agreement to collaborate with Iraq on weapons of mass destruction. The Clinton Justice Department had been concerned about negative public reaction to its potentially capturing bin Laden without "a vehicle for extradition," official paperwork charging him with a crime. It was "not an afterthought" to include the al Qaeda-Iraq connection in the indictment, says an official familiar with the deliberations. "It couldn't have gotten into the indictment unless someone was willing to testify to it under oath." The Clinton administration's indictment read unequivocally:
Al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq.
quote: Originally posted by: Jarret "You just used The Weekly Standard as a source? LOL, I will definitely not respond."
I wouldn't respond either if I was you, since there is no way for you to refute the facts. But you may want to read the post one more time, I think Newsweek, ABC News and NPR were the sources. I'm sure you trust them, don't you?
But hey, when your game is up, better to just keep mum, eh?
ome news organizations, including The New York Times, are currently engaged in self-criticism over the run-up to the Iraq war. They are asking, as they should, why poorly documented claims of a dire threat received prominent, uncritical coverage, while contrary evidence was either ignored or played down.
But it's not just Iraq, and it's not just The Times. Many journalists seem to be having regrets about the broader context in which Iraq coverage was embedded: a climate in which the press wasn't willing to report negative information about George Bush.
People who get their news by skimming the front page, or by watching TV, must be feeling confused by the sudden change in Mr. Bush's character. For more than two years after 9/11, he was a straight shooter, all moral clarity and righteousness.
But now those people hear about a president who won't tell a straight story about why he took us to war in Iraq or how that war is going, who can't admit to and learn from mistakes, and who won't hold himself or anyone else accountable. What happened?
The answer, of course, is that the straight shooter never existed. He was a fictitious character that the press, for various reasons, presented as reality.
The truth is that the character flaws that currently have even conservative pundits fuming have been visible all along. Mr. Bush's problems with the truth have long been apparent to anyone willing to check his budget arithmetic. His inability to admit mistakes has also been obvious for a long time. I first wrote about Mr. Bush's "infallibility complex" more than two years ago, and I wasn't being original.
So why did the press credit Mr. Bush with virtues that reporters knew he didn't possess? One answer is misplaced patriotism. After 9/11 much of the press seemed to reach a collective decision that it was necessary, in the interests of national unity, to suppress criticism of the commander in chief.
Another answer is the tyranny of evenhandedness. Moderate and liberal journalists, both reporters and commentators, often bend over backward to say nice things about conservatives. Not long ago, many commentators who are now caustic Bush critics seemed desperate to differentiate themselves from "irrational Bush haters" who were neither haters nor irrational — and whose critiques look pretty mild in the light of recent revelations.
And some journalists just couldn't bring themselves to believe that the president of the United States was being dishonest about such grave matters.
Finally, let's not overlook the role of intimidation. After 9/11, if you were thinking of saying anything negative about the president, you had to be prepared for an avalanche of hate mail. You had to expect right-wing pundits and publications to do all they could to ruin your reputation, and you had to worry about being denied access to the sort of insider information that is the basis of many journalistic careers.
The Bush administration, knowing all this, played the press like a fiddle. But has that era come to an end?
A new Pew survey finds 55 percent of journalists in the national media believing that the press has not been critical enough of Mr. Bush, compared with only 8 percent who believe that it has been too critical. More important, journalists seem to be acting on that belief.
Amazing things have been happening lately. The usual suspects have tried to silence reporting about prison abuses by accusing critics of undermining the troops — but the reports keep coming. The attorney general has called yet another terror alert — but the press raised questions about why. (At a White House morning briefing, Terry Moran of ABC News actually said what many thought during other conveniently timed alerts: "There is a disturbing possibility that you are manipulating the American public in order to get a message out.")
It may not last. In July 2002, according to Dana Milbank of The Washington Post — who has tried, at great risk to his career, to offer a realistic picture of the Bush presidency — "the White House press corps showed its teeth" for the first time since 9/11. It didn't last: the administration beat the drums of war, and most of the press relapsed into docility.
But this time may be different. And if it is, Mr. Bush — who has always depended on that docility — may be in even more trouble than the latest polls suggest.
So the Times is now reporting negative things about Bush?
OH MY GOODNESS! THIS IS A SHOCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gee, let me see, why would theybe going ballistically negative on Bush now? Hmmm, I really have to think hard about this one....... OH, I think I got it now - Cause they want him to lose the election that's just around the corner? Ya' think?
Please tell me you don't believe that the Times is an impartial news reporting organization!
And about those Newsweek, ABC News and NPR stories linking Bin laden to Iraq, printed in 1999, before this whole war was an issue? When there was no political agenda, those liberal news outlets had no problems printing info about the "connection" but now that sort of reporting wouldn't serve their political desires, so that information is buried DEEP by any clever liberal these days.
The current spin in the media is to ask how in the world George W. Bush could justify going to war with Iraq. That's pure politics, plain and simple. A better question would be: How in the world could Bill Clinton justify NOT going to war with Iraq and Afghanistan?
Hold on there, I just brought the column to your attention. Note its not a editorial. And it was meant to show what THEY are saying now. Here is a new word for you attackful,don't be so attackful!
So what you are saying 'connection' is that if it is printed in the media, the media YOU like, it is true... if it is printed in media that you do not like it is a lie.
Thanks for clearing that up. By the way I have a bridge and some land in Florida I would love to sell you!!!!
Baloney. Bush is a bumbling idiot and has gotten us into a war we don't belong in.He is the worst president in my lifetime, and perhaps the worst ever. Afghanastan was justified, Iraq was and is clearly not. Bush was likely played for the fool he is by Chalibi (sp?). There are a great many chickenhawks that support the war, but would not go or send thier kids. Donca' just love armchair quarterbacks? I've got a son-in-law stationed in Baghdad, and I can tell much of our military knows that this war is bull**** and likely a lost cause long term. If you REALLY support our troops, as I do, give them a new commander in chief in November, this time however, give them one with a brain.
quote: Originally posted by: Oh I understand "So what you are saying 'connection' is that if it is printed in the media, the media YOU like, it is true... if it is printed in media that you do not like it is a lie. Thanks for clearing that up. By the way I have a bridge and some land in Florida I would love to sell you!!!! "
You and fyrral (and the other libs here) are so predictable.
I present facts, no rebuttal worth spit is offered back. Just the Michael Moore parroted line "He's an idiot". That's quite a political spokesman you guys got there in Mr. Moore! Is that the best you can do? And fyrral suggests that Kerry will be a great commander in chief! That's hilarious! The Senator who's been a top military cutter for his entire career is going to be a great commander in chief!! The guy who decides which side of an issue he is based on who's listening!!! "I voted for the war, before I voted against it" Now THAT was funny!
Just keep watching ABCNBCCBS if you want to continue to be brainwashed. It's obviously had the desired effect on you so far!
I have to say, the CC/RT issue has plenty of gray areas, so much of the debate is subjective and frustrating, but defending Bush and this war is fun stuff. Like shooting fish in a barrel. lol!
I can respect opposing views, and I can respect someone being a supporter of their political party, and I share many of the values that are claimed by Bush's party. I consider myself a conservative democrat. It has come down to this for me: If you are one to support the republican party....fine. If you are going to suggest to me for a minute that George W. Bush is a competant intelligent man, and he is the best that his party has to offer,I'll dismiss you in an instant as a political hack and you have lost any credibilty in the debate . This guy has to go. A patriot's first duty is to his country, not to his party. A young soldier may be asked to risk his life for his country,and many do willingly. But he never should be asked to risk his life for the idealolgy of a misguided and intellectually challenged persident that has been played like a fiddle by those with access to him, here and abroad. It takes guts to do the right thing. Cowards bomb everything. Name ONE thing that is better in this country since Bush took office. From a historic surplus to a historic deficeit, the loss of goodwill from many important allies, and a misguided war that the country was thrust into by dishonest means.
People, people, we all know that when you run across a brainwashed Bushie like Connections that there is nothing that can be done to fix it. Thankfully, there are fewer and fewer of them every day. The truth (not the conservative media nonsense) comes out more and more all the time. No longer are all the media outlets following the Fox News lead. (thank goodness) I love the right wing "liberal media" complaints - yeah, Fox, Bush Limbaugh, and the rest of the right wing cable talk hosts really illustrate that "liberal media." Seriously, if you ask a real liberal about the media they'll complain about how conservative it is. To me it just means that reputable outlets like CNN and the NYT are doing their job. (and the NYT is to be lauded for their recent focus on publishing self evaluations - like the one posted here.)
Re: "Facts" from Connections. The Weekly Standard is a joke. And your citations from other sources have nothing to do with what I actually said, which was that there is zero connection b/w Iraq and 9/11. Note, 9/11 not al Qaeda. Now I will go further and say that you can find plenty of overwhelming evidence that the so called connections you speak of were tenuous at best. The truth is that Osama bin Ladin consistently lashed out at Saddam's Iraq as a secular regime.
You want a Bush presidency? Bring back poppa Bush - at least he knew how to have a foreign policy that didn't destroy our reputation and ability to rally allies to our causes.
I am sitting here laughing at the notion you think I am a liberal. I do not belong to either of the 2 "leading" parties I vote the person and platform not the party for 1. Secondly, why is it that when someone does not agree with the Bush-evangelical-right wing-almighty line of BS you are painted as a liberal?
I find it completely clear why someone like you would fall in line behind the lies you are being told by Bush et al because you are buying the same type of BS from Ireland / CC et al.
We have been clear in our arguments. You attempt to quote media sources that are clearly one sided... WAKE UP and go do your own research.... open your eyes and see how lost you really are. I know the thought is a bit overwhelming - but try it...
quote: Originally posted by: Oh I understand " I find it completely clear why someone like you would fall in line behind the lies you are being told by Bush et al because you are buying the same type of BS from Ireland / CC et al. "
Uh, I have no clue what side of the CC issue Connections is on (he might not have asked Bush what the think yet ), but I am in support of the church idea. Pro-CC, anti-Bush. Maybe it is the vort BS that Connections is buying into!