ConcernedII - The "All Opinions are Welcome, but Sorry no Instigators" Board

Date: Tue May 25 10:18 AM, 2004

RE: RE: ConcernedII

Date: Tue May 25 11:02 AM, 2004

Mike Valle stays on top of technology. Othe districts should be blessed with his talent as well. Mike was hired when I was on the Board and he has done fantastic work since he' been in district (janette should be commended as well). Also if you ever get time, take a look at the budget (are you ever at a budget meeting?), you'll find there is a six figure line item for technology each year.BTW have you ever seen the WEB site? It's great.

That must explain why we have such a high tech website (not) for the BOE / school system. If by staying on top of technology, you are talking about sitting on a laptop, I'll believe you. I'd be happy if other districts WERE blessed with his talent...And, BTW, IMHO, the BOE website is a piece of crap...School websites are updated - what, once a year? There are many schools on the web where young children (3rd graders even) have work posted on classroom sites. We have school sites that rarely, if ever are updated. There are districts out there that post homework on the web - not ours...Go to our great BOE website and click on 'technology'...This should be a premier page...Instead, it's got a stale list of names / photos and then what looks like a 'test' page of many, many blank lines, and tons of cheesy animated gifs, followed by a bunch of email addresses that are not connected to anything, more animated gifs, then links to exciting events like "NEW2" and "NEW8". A good school system website should be DYNAMIC - constantly changing - new stuff being added - teacher's using the web...What do we have - stale pages, unused by classroom teachers who rarely, if ever even give out their email addresses that we paid so much for. I can go on...but I won't....

When I was on the BOE there was an effort to revitalize the "Copeland Cougars". Rec Dept officials let it be known th BOE would be "stepping on toes" If we pursued sports teams.

That's heresay - I can't prove or disprove it. Either way, other towns have good programs - both rec and school. Ours do not. Other towns have fields for their middle school age children to play on. Ours does not.

The Town has been taking the lead in sports and are constantly seeking fields, etc.

That is, without a doubt, the biggest piece of shit LIE I have ever heard. Our town is in desperate need of fields. Our soccer program has ONE full sided field. Go look at Denville and count the fields THEY have. We''re adding one small mult-purpose field on Green Pond Rd that can't be watered. Compare that to what Denville, Randolph, Parsippany or other towns have. All those towns have VERY LARGE parks that can hold multiple games simultaneously - parks MUCH LARGER than Peterson - and they have more than one park per town. Ask anyone involved in sports in this town about the field situation - soccer, baseball, basketball - all fall FAR SHORT of what is needed (hint to town officials - a 100 acre park could help).

Date: Tue May 25 11:15 AM, 2004

What, if anything do your comments have to do with constructing a new school?

Other than the fact that your proposals add more tax dollars...on top of construction cost.

BTW are you suggesting that Mike Valle ISN"T doing a great job? And try to recognize when someone agrees with you(fields)

Date: Tue May 25 11:22 AM, 2004

Hey tED - what do your posts have to do with reality?????

You are the biggest blowhard of all time. Quite a dubious title to hold sport.

Please do not bore us with more skewed stats - that dog won't hunt...now comes tED'S post - his ego requires him to have the last word...

Date: Tue May 25 11:39 AM, 2004

If you question any of my information, just give me a call. I'll get you a copy, give you references or tell you where you can obtain the records.

Date: Tue May 25 12:33 PM, 2004

Mr. Doty sir, you still are not thinking. Let me see if I can help with this, hit the back button and scroll back to NEMO's post. Read it again ,slowly. Go ahead I'll wait.

Done? Good.

With no disrespect to NEMO who is an alumnus of the Rockaway school system ,I need to ask you a question. Is this example of writing the product of a first rate educational system?

Larger classrooms are not the answer I agree. But more of them are ,so you can increase the teacher to student ratio. Ideal class size is 16 students per teacher. Especially in the formative years.

So stop with the really narrow thinking, take those blinders off, and ask your self what kind of legacy is a generation of morons.

Good day to you sir.

Date: Tue May 25 12:58 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Ted Doty
"What, if anything do your comments have to do with constructing a new school? Other than the fact that your proposals add more tax dollars...on top of construction cost. BTW are you suggesting that Mike Valle ISN"T doing a great job? And try to recognize when someone agrees with you(fields)"

My responses were directly tied to your quotes. You are the one who stated "The Town has been taking the lead in sports and are constantly seeking fields". You are the one who stated "BTW have you ever seen the WEB site? It's great."...I responded to you - so please do not tell me my comments were off target. What it appears you are saying is that if we have things wrong with our school system that are not related to an expansion, they should not be discussed because that might cause, heaven forbid, more spending (oooh - that's evil)? I care about the children in this town - my own AND the others. I'd like to see our programs improve. I'd like to see smaller class sizes. I'd like to see a middle school where our children have room to run around outside - or do we prefer childhood obesity to excercise now??? You seem to think our school system is great the way it is - let's not spend another dime on it. Well tED, please compare the scores our children receive on standardized tests to those of Boonton Township, Mountain Lakes, and Denville and tell me how we compare to our neighbors. I guess you prefer lower taxes / poorer schools / and to hell with property values....

Date: Tue May 25 1:21 PM, 2004

FYI

The Township has more than one usable soccar field... Norway, Peterson, Oak Meadows, Picatinny, Germania Park, Dwyer.. to name a few.

By the way, this is not Ted, just someone who is proud of this town and the fine job the Recreation Department does!

Date: Tue May 25 1:27 PM, 2004

I guess it's all about how cheaply we can to get away with, not the quality of education tED?

Tell me tED - when it's time for a new pair of shoes, do you shop the Salvation Army in Dover for the cheapest pair, even though they might hurt a bit??? Be honest mR. iNTEGRITY.

You are pathetic, and thankfully you represent 2 or 3 votes on the next referendum that will pass...no help from you needed tURD.

Date: Tue May 25 1:50 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: 1 field?
" FYI The Township has more than one usable soccar field... Norway, Peterson, Oak Meadows, Picatinny, Germania Park, Dwyer.. to name a few. By the way, this is not Ted, just someone who is proud of this town and the fine job the Recreation Department does!"

Norway - 1 full-sided field

Peterson - zero soccer fields. Used strictly by baseball / football. Soccer is allowed on once a year for a tourmanet (and maybe a summer camp).

Oak Meadows - Baseball field. Soccer gets to use it only in the fall, only after baseball is over, and then, it's only a small sided field (Under 10 only).

Picatinny - difficult to use because of security concerns. Every person entering must be on a 'list' given to security dept. Used for small-sided rec fields only. Can't have travel games here because we can't have out-of-town kid's here.

Germania - 1 small sided field only - poor field - like playing on cement. Can only be used on 1 weekend day because neighbors want one day of peace.

Dwyer - small fields used by youngest rec players only.

Proud of our fields? What a joke. We have 1 full-sided field in our town - Norway. It's ripped to shreds due to massive overuse. It's used 7 days a week for travel practices and both travel and rec games. Go look at Randolph fields. They have 3 different parks that each support multiple full-sided soccer fields. Denville also has multiple fields. Go down to Morris Plains and you'll get lost trying to find the correct field at Frelingysen (sp?). Go to Mountain Lakes / Boonton and you'll also find more fields that we have. Please do not speak about things you do not know about.

Date: Tue May 25 1:52 PM, 2004

OK- THIS IS NOW BORING ME.

MONsTER UNDER THE BED-- YOU ARE RIGHT! HOOKET ON FONIX DIDN'T WURK FOR ME. See, this even proves my point even further. I speak well when compared to my peers, so i can notemphasize ENOUGH that the education needs to be improved in our system. inorder to do that, we need to do what it takes to do that. i read early that our education level is good. Well, why can it not be great.

furthermore, we now start to focus on fields that are needed. yeh, that's great but what about foriegn languages, international studies, ect. Look at the picture for a moment-- Americans are beyond lazy, selfish, and stupid. Ted- the rest of the world pays for theIR kids education and these kids are brilliant. why, because intelligence is the most important thing to the youth and our country has not yet firgured that out. AND TED- HEAD UP TO THE TELLEMARK TAVERN ON SATURDAY NIGHT. ALL THOSE KIDS A ROCKAWAY KIDS, SOME NOT EVEN 21, HAVE NO DIRECTION IN LIFE GETTING DRUNK PLAYING DARTS. MOST OF THEM WILL TELL YOU HOW DISAPPOINTING ROCKAWAY TWP SCHOOLS ARE.

IF THEY WEREN'T, DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD BE SPENDING THEIR FREE TIME GETTING TRASHED. NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

SO IF BUILDING SCHOOL IS NEEDED-- I'M FOR IT. IF I WASN'T THEN I WOULD BE SAYING "NO" TO THE FUTURE AND EDUCATION

P.S. I DO APPOLIGIZE FOR MY POOR GRAMMAR, LACK OF GREAT EDUCATION.

Date: Tue May 25 2:02 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: 1 field?
" FYI The Township has more than one usable soccar field... Norway, Peterson, Oak Meadows, Picatinny, Germania Park, Dwyer.. to name a few. By the way, this is not Ted, just someone who is proud of this town and the fine job the Recreation Department does!"

Yeah, and those soccer pukes dominate the fields with a fall sport during the spring. Lacrosse is the fastest growing spring sport in the nation and in RT, yet they give us the crappy duck sh*t laden rocky field on rt 80 by the mall that is slated for construction of a new strip mall any day now. It's an embarrasment when teams from other towns play on our field.

Date: Tue May 25 2:11 PM, 2004

For the kids sitting in the Telemark Tavern. They have no family life. They are left alone with no supervision growing up while the parents sit in the tavern. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Date: Tue May 25 2:23 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: BJR
"

those soccer pukes "

Hey...I resemble that remark.
Actually...it's quite embarrassing when hosting another town for a game here for soccer...I can just imagine lacrosse. Heck, Randolph even built their kids a skateboard park.

Drive to Randolph where there are 8 or 10 fields in just one location, plus baseball and a full concession stand with REAL bathrooms...not porta potties.

This is too big a town to handle it's sport program this way. A lot of this can be attributed to the fact that the high schools split the the town.

If we had one school, we could have more space for fields for all of our towns activities, not have to deal with idiosyncracies at Knolls and no use of Hills facilities at all....as a matter of fact , Hills buses teams to Germania's quarry/field/ski slope.

Date: Tue May 25 2:45 PM, 2004

The poor parenting skills defense would work, if our children where home schooled. In this society they are not. Two working parents, divorce, all the ills of the modern world conspire to leave the education of our children to others. With that stated I believe you need to capture the interest of the child at a early age. Spark the fire of knowledge in grammer school, and hold that childs interest. This can only be accomplished with dynamic teachers and a condusive learning enviroment. If you think that exists in Rockaway or for that matter most under budgeted schools today. I have to disagree. Excuse me, a little monster speak here, just where the hell did you go drinkin when you was in high school? Da woods maybe? Then dem apples ain"t fallin far from da tree.

Remember, my a.d.d. affected moron can kick your honor roll students butt.

Date: Tue May 25 3:21 PM, 2004

DON'T BLAME THE SCHOOLS!!!??????????????????

FIRST OF ALL, WHILE YOU WORK YOUR 8 HOURS A DAY, COOK. CLEAN, AND MAINTIAN YOUR WAY OF LIFE, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT YOUR KID(S) ARE AT SCHOOL AND/OR DAYCARE. YOU DON'T INTERACT WITH YOUR CHILDREN LIKE THE ADULTS DO IN HIS OR HER SCHOOL. WHEN YOUR KID(S) COME HOME THEY SHOULD BE DOING THEIR HOMEWORK, CLEANING HIS OR HER BEDROOM, PLAYING OUTSIDE AND GETTING READY FOR THE NEXT DAY. SO, THE APPLE ISN'T FALLING FAR FROM THE TREE? THAT IS NOT COMPLETELY TRUE. BESIDES, I'M FRIENDS WITH MORE THAN HALF OF THOSE KIDS THAT HANG OUT AT THE TAVERN. ACTUALLY, I GRADUATED WITH MOST OF THEM. AS A PEER, I KNOW WHERE THEY ARE FROM, WHAT THEIR FAMILY LIFE IS AND HOW INTELLIGENT THEY REALLY ARE. AND THEIR PARENTS BEHAVIORS DIDN'T INCLUDE HANGING OUT AT THE TAVERN.

I TAKE THAT STATEMENT PERSONAL-- I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING-- I AM AN INDIVIDUAL AND I KNOW THAT DOING WHAT MY PARENTS DID IS NOT ALWAYS RIGHT AND THE BEST WAY TO GO FOR ME.

REGARDING THE FIELD-- I AM NOT SAYING "NO FIELDS" I PLAYED A SPORT MYSELF. BUT MY POINT WAS THAT AMERICANS ARE SO WRAPPED UP IN SPORTS THAT YOU KID CAN'T EVEN SPEAK A SECOND LANGUAGE NOT INCLUDING LATIN. FOR GOD SAKES THE REST OF THE WORLD CAN BUT US!!!

Date: Tue May 25 3:26 PM, 2004

Monster,

I see your point in needing better education in ALL schools. Yet, in all honesty Rockaway Schools are not that bad. They are not that great, but not bad either. I know High Schools that have lost their accreditation. Meaning you can attend that HS and graduate but any college will not recognize your diploma and make you retake your senior year at a different High School. I highly doubt that Rockaway schools even come close to that level. You want to talk about all these kids hanging out at the Tavern, because of a poor education and no goals. No. I do not think so. That is just an excuse. They want to blame someone or something for their lack of motivation and irresponsibility. For all those kids that are hanging out drinking and playing darts, there are those kids who CHOOSE to do something with their lives and make a difference. Whether it is going to college, a Vocational school or even going out into the work field. You state “Two working parents, divorce, all the ills of the modern world conspire to leave the education of our children to others”, I do agree that parents need to take an active part in their child(ren)’s lives. Yet, I think society focuses too much on “blaming the parents” and not enough on understanding that even a 7 year old knows right from wrong on some level. I also do not agree that parents should be held responsible for their HS child’s actions or misbehavior. Being a recent HS graduate, I will assume that you know right from wrong and the basic fundamentals of life. I will also assume that these “Tavern” kids would know the same. So, blaming the parents or even the school system is a waste of time and a way of dodging your responsibilities as a functioning part of society. In all honesty I think it is rather immature on your part. Grow up! You are a High School Graduate!

Date: Tue May 25 3:35 PM, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by: The monster under the bed
"This can only be accomplished with dynamic teachers and a condusive learning enviroment.

Very true, I agree

If you think that exists in Rockaway or for that matter most under budgeted schools today. I have to disagree.

You attempt to draw an association between expenditure of money and a good education. Why then do many private schools, that spend much less per pupil have better student outcomes than many public schools?

Clearly, there are other factors, besides money that effect learning. Put in another way, building a school we don't need will not improve schools in RT.

Date: Tue May 25 3:38 PM, 2004

Who is saying that if you work your ass off all week, it is wrong to be enjoying a few pints at the tavern? Are you enjoying a glass of wine at home with someone Friday night? Are you somehow an "unproductive" member of society?

Boy, cut the kids some slack...

Date: Tue May 25 3:42 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Who said??
"Who is saying that if you work your ass off all week, it is wrong to be enjoying a few pints at the tavern? Are you enjoying a glass of wine at home with someone Friday night? Are you somehow an "unproductive" member of society? Boy, cut the kids some slack..."

Who said that?

Date: Tue May 25 3:42 PM, 2004

sir,I agree with just about all of what you said, but please read the posts more carefully. you are confusing two people here.

A little hint dont tell any one ,The monster got his college degree in 1980. In a real nice place with bricks and ivy and stuff.

Date: Tue May 25 3:42 PM, 2004

to jp---please note that myself (nemo) is not monster under the bed. also, i was never blaming parents for their child(ren)'s choices regardless if they were good or bad. if you sum up all of my points you will notice that i am saying, and yes it's only my opinion, that why settle for just good or ok. want the best, do what you can to get the best, get others to do the same, even if it comes down to expanding the rockaway school system to building another school.

nemo

Date: Tue May 25 3:49 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: nemo
" if you sum up all of my points you will notice that i am saying, and yes it's only my opinion, that why settle for just good or ok. want the best, do what you can to get the best, get others to do the same, even if it comes down to expanding the rockaway school system to building another school. nemo"

I agree but building a school that we don't need will not improve our schools. It's just wasteful spending.

Date: Tue May 25 3:50 PM, 2004

Hold on there. Iam going to confuse here. My last post was to JP. okay?

Ted Dammit never mind ,take your meds . I try, I really freakin Try!

Date: Tue May 25 3:56 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: The monster under the bed
" sir,I agree with just about all of what you said, but please read the posts more carefully. you are confusing two people here. A little hint dont tell any one ,The monster got his college degree in 1980. In a real nice place with bricks and ivy and stuff. "

I am truly sorry for the mistake. I do apologize.

Date: Tue May 25 4:00 PM, 2004

Humbly accepted.

Date: Tue May 25 4:02 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: nemo
"to jp---please note that myself (nemo) is not monster under the bed. also, i was never blaming parents for their child(ren)'s choices regardless if they were good or bad. if you sum up all of my points you will notice that i am saying, and yes it's only my opinion, that why settle for just good or ok. want the best, do what you can to get the best, get others to do the same, even if it comes down to expanding the rockaway school system to building another school. nemo"

My apologies to you as well. I did not mean to confuse you with Monster. I will agree with you that no one should settle for anything but the best. But I also tend to see things from a different POV. I've seen some of the worst, in and out of many cities. And I do not think that anyone should take what good things they have for granted. Try to make them great or the best, I'm all for it. But "The cup is half full".

Date: Tue May 25 4:11 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: The monster under the bed
" My last post was to JP. okay?

No problem but my last post was to Nemo and regardless of what you or he say my comment is valid:

Building a school that we don't need will not improve our schools.

Date: Tue May 25 4:22 PM, 2004

Same tired line tED...

Date: Tue May 25 4:29 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: tED dOTY
"Same line tED...:"

But never-the-less true

a school that we don't need will not improve our schools, will probably hurt us and is wasteful spending.