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Craig Maier

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Folks,


Here is something that I believe is worth considering in order to help us re-take control of our own destiny here in RT.  This is a "derivative idea" from an earlier one that I had posted regarding the concept of taking the property by Eminent Domain simply to protect our drinking water (posted about a week back on this bbs).


How about if we, the citizens of RT form a Large Church (or other non-profit) organization.  This is a very easy thing to do.  Next, let us assume that the Agilent property goes back on the block again in the near future.  If we could get one-half of our towns families (about 2,000 families) to join this tax exempt organization, we could make an offer of $15 million to Agilent for that property.  That would cost each of those participating familes $7,500.00 each - - - money very well spent.  We would make the offer with no planning board approval strings attached, unlike the offer that Ireland made. 


Here are a couple of observations:


The investment would be an excellent one because we would be protecting our own environment.  Part of the dogma of our organization would be the protection of the environment in town, especially at the Agilent site.  Another part of our dogma is that we would leave the buildings as they are.  We would not disturb them or grow them.  I would suggest that we lease the buildings to the town for one buck for the next ten years so that the town might use them as it (actually we) sees fit.  The town would be required to handle its operating expenses.  As an example, it could be used for our children to congregate and socialize after school hours.  The buildings are in excellent shape and would be conducive to all sorts of teen activities if equipped properly which, would not cost much at all in the scheme of things.


Lastly, after 10 years, those of us who invested in the property could then consider what to do with it there on forward (we would all own stock in the Church or non-profit).  In other words, we just procrastinate.  After all, given its tax free status, it would cost us little more than the initial investment to maintain our interest. 


Keep in mind that there is no law stopping any of us from belonging to more than one HOW or religion.  We would not have to give up our present religious affiliation(s). Also, there is no law in the country that can define what our religious doctrine should be.  We make it whatever we want it to be.  Perhaps, we just worship the pristine land that G-d gave us here in RT?


Lastly, I would hope that, if folks think this is worth considering, someone other than myself would take charge of the project.  I would be glad to provide full ancillary support but should not be in the middle of it.  The reason is obvious.  I am too much of a controversial figure in town.  But I can be useful by helping with the legal process, logistics, etc. to bring such a project to fruition.


What do you think?


Craig




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Nurse Cratchet

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Tax deductible

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You missed an interesting aspect - - - the 7500 bucks would be tax deductible!

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ASCII

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Why would it need to be a church?  Why not just make it "The Rockaway Township Preservation Association."  That type of organization could just as easily be a non-profit with all the benefits suggested. 


The idea could work, so long as Agilent put the property on the market again, a big IF.



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Craig Maier

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Some points are well taken.  The $7,500.00 would be tax deductable.  Also, I did mention that alternatives other than a Church are possible:


Quoting myself I said:


(or other non-profit)


And, of course, it all depends on Agilents move.  I suspect that they would love to get out from under Irelands contract now that they realize that this thing will be held up for about 5 years.



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Norb

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Perhaps some of your neighbors in Rockaway Boro and the Township of Denville would also like to invest their $7500 to retain the existing buildings on the 107 acres on Green Pond Road rather than allow them to be destroyed forever.



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Craig Maier

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Norb,


True.  The Impact of this cc mostrosity extends way beyond RT. Denville, Rockaway Boro, and Boonton Township will all be effected.  So, that is a very good point,  spread out the costs of preservation.  Good idea.


Thanks,


Craig



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Bystander

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(( .... The Impact of this cc mostrosity extends way beyond RT.... Denville, Rockaway Boro, and Boonton Township will all be effected... ))
 
OH MY GOODNESS .... Mr. Craig - might I refresh your memory of YOUR words, which can be found elsewhere in messages [to me - a Denville resident] here on this messageboard ...


(( ...  She does not live in RT... ))


(( ... Please go away ... ))


(( ... Now, please go away since you do not have a horse in this race. ))


(( Please take your ball and go home. ))


(( Do us all a favor and just "be gone." ))


(( If you are a non-Rockaway resident, why
don't you butt out of our internal problems...
As far as I am concerned, you have no right to
be stirring the pot here and I personally resent
your participation in that which is none of
your ****ing business.))


(( ... Better yet, go find a bbs that involves your own town and enjoy stirring that one up. ))


(( ... that people who do not have a dog in this
fight should do the right thing and keep their traps shut... ))


 


You're a piece of cake, Mr. Craig, you really are.  



-B.



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Craig Maier

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Thank you, b.  Now, where is your $7,500.00 investment or do you just want to keep on raising hell on this board?  Put your money where your mouth is.

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Eva?

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Eva?

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Bystander

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(( Thank you, b. ))
You're welcome, Mr. C.



(( Now, where is your $7,500.00 investment ... ))
Don't have $7,500.00 to invest. If I did ... it wouldn't be with your proposal (nothing personal).



(( ... do you just want to keep on raising hell on this board? ))
Agree to disagree on whose raising hell on this board, ok? 



(( Put your money where your mouth is. ))
I already am.


 


Have a nice day,


 


-B.



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Craig Maier

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I have not seen a single idea or proposal come out of you, b-.  If you  do not like my proposal(s), provide another one or keep quiet cause you are contributing nothing towards the solution of this problem.


Dr. Craig   



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Bystander

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(( I have not seen a single idea or proposal come out of you, b-. ))
If you mean in regards to the cc-issue, then, yup, you're correct. Otherwise, you're incorrect since I think I've provided a number of ideas and food-for-thoughts...  Therefore: agree to disagree, ok?  



(( ... If you do not like my proposal(s), provide another one or keep quiet cause ..  ))
(rhetorical): Why should I keep quiet on a free speech message board?? (end rhetorical) ... I never said I did/didn't like your proposal ... I only said I wouldn't/couldn't contribute the $7,500.00 (nothing persona) ...    ... You aren't saying that anyone/everyone who can't/doesn't contribute $7,500.00 towards your proposal means they automatically don't like it[the proposal]?? 



(( ... you are contributing nothing towards the solution of this problem. ))
According to you, that's true, yup. ... and ... according to me, that's not true.


There ya' have it again ... Agree to disagree, ok?       


Have a nice [rest of the] day,


-B.



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The MOnster's Monster

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Go Bystander go!

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Craig Maier

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Kay, b.  Now, make a single very specific recommendation as to what should be done here in RT.  Nothing vague. 

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Bystander

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(( .. make a single very specific recommendation as to what should be done
here in RT.. ))


Presuming you mean with regards to the cc situation ... My single specific recommendation is to continue on with 'business as usual' ... because I think everything's that's being done right now is quite fine ... I have faith and trust that the all the relevant systems (political, legal, media etc) are handling everything quite well.


Que sera, sera. 


 


-B.



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Craig Maier

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Having been in business for years (very successfully, I might add), it is absolutely essential that we have contingency plans, just as one does in any high regret factor situation.  Right now, I do not see anything on the table that you have offered other than cute, obtuse rhetoric and dictionary definitions of words.  So, I am waiting for some real and meaningful creative thinking on your part.  Share it with us.  Or, do you just enjoy the sport of observing the towns dilemma? 

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The monster under the bed

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 Craig ma man, listen up in your own way you both make sense.(bystander ,although makes alot more than you). So why you gotta be like that? This issue affects the whole area as you pointed out.  And as Individuals we are powerless. So just what purpose is served by attacking people who have not clearly stated their position? Silly fellow the only person you are alienating is yourself.


 



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Craig Maier

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I guess that is where I disagree.  A single individual can make all the difference in the world!  Just as an example, look at how close the last presidential election was.  Look at the influence that Thomas Jefferson, Washington, Edison, Albert Einstein, JFK all had on society as individuals.


That is where we are having difficulty communicating because I believe that all the power ultimately resides with us, the small guy - - - the individual.  Grass roots spring up all the time and make for and produce meaningful change in society.  Think about it. 



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Karen

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I agree, Craig--although it seems that the individual's opinion only counts when some media person decides it's the "juicy" opinion and puts it on the front page of the paper, right?


But...if you don't state your opinion, others who might agree with you will never know they're in good company.


And there's strength in numbers.


And, as Ted so graciously made us aware, "There is a rule of thumb about such response.  That is if one person responds there's about twenty more people who feel the same way."


And I guess I have to say that I'm not talking about any opinion in particular that you or anyone in particular might have.



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The monster under the bed

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Originally posted by: Craig Maier
Look at the influence that Thomas Jefferson, Washington, Edison, Albert Einstein, JFK all had on society as individuals. . 

    Craig, you left out ONE very important word. Positve.


  They all left POSITVE influence.   



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Craig Maier

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Monster,


Is Ireland going to have a "POSITIVE" influence on RT?  I think NOT.


Craig



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The monster under the bed

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 Dude you are not following me on this. There is no positive thing Ireland can do for me, ever. Now (my opinion) there ain't (vernacular) a freakin positve thing he can do for RT and the surrounding communties. The positivity I am speaking of is  YOURS! 

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Craig Maier

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Well, monster, that is a matter of your opinion.  I am pretty sure that what I have done so far is very POSITIVE.  A lot of people who I have met on the street agree with my position on this Fundy religious stuff - - - especially those of my own religion!  It is just politically incorrect to agree with me on a forum like this board or in the newspapers or vocally in public. But, I did it and everyone knows what we will be dealing with in that domain.  So, you can thank me for getting that out there in the public arena of ideas!  Furthermore, there is probably not a person in Morris county that does not know about CC because of some of the so called "BAD Publicity".  Additionally, my studies and questioning of Ireland established the real capacity of Irelands folly at 25,000 people, a number which is pretty well accepted as the correct one.  In addition, I identified some key elements which people are not discussing that will be required to support Irelands folly such as the condemnation of 25 buildings on GPR and the blasting of Rock to widen same.  Also, I was the first one to raise the issue of the "peak loading" effect on the town well and who is going to pay for its expansion in terms of Horsepower and Storage capacity. 


I feel just fine about the things that I have done.  They have had an overall POSITIVE IMPACT (who cares what people say on this venue - - - ask the man on the street buddy). What have you done, monster, except try to be cute?  My nieces and nephews find you entertaining, anyway!  I guess that is POSITIVE.


Craig



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    Its still me the monster, want to start a grassroots movement? I suggest starting one where it would be most effective. Christ Church it self.


    I don't think the faithful 5000 are aware that they are welcome about as much as a case of the clap. Its a pretty safe bet that some have access to the internet. So why are there no REAL posts here from members of the flock? My guess is that managment doesn't think its relevent. Over at the truth forum ,there are 7 registered members, thats it. And only two posters. Where is the voice of the Flock?


    So my Idea is this, place a personnel or classified ad in the montclair times adressed to christ church members directing them to this forum.


    Maybe if they know its not all rosy in the promised land. They could engage managment with a alternate plan. Remember its still their money before they give it to Jesus, I mean Dr. Hayles.


  



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Craig Maier

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Well, monster - - - that is more like it.  Now you are brainstorming and we need more of that to hash this thing over and develop alternative plans.  That is not a bad idea.  I am not sure how effective it will be, but I doubt that its cost/benefit could be denied.  Now, we have to figure out a way to word it and then implement it. 


BTW the idea of "whatever will be will be" aspoused by Bystander is totally unacceptable to me.  With that attitude, we may as well re-name this town New Ireland right now and save him the logistical trouble later.   



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Craig Maier

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BTW - I am not so sure that too many people in our own town know the URL of this bbs.  That should be another seperate part of the campaign - - - that is making RT residents aware of this boards URL.  The papers have not printed it thus far.

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Jay R

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"BTW - I am not so sure that too many people in our own town know the URL of this bbs.  That should be another seperate part of the campaign - - - that is making RT residents aware of this boards URL.  The papers have not printed it thus far."

This site does not exactly have a friendly URL...You'll never just 'find it'.


If you want to make this site more user accessible, you need a friendly, easy to remember URL.


For about $8.50 a year, you can register one at:


http://www.mydomain.com/domains.php (or many other places) and have the domain forwarded to this site, so instead of needing to enter http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=17042&subForumID=17134&sparkKey=fca30fedad4e35cb038653d40fb3e53cb0 as the URL (do you think anybody will remember that???), you can OWN (for a year) a URL like http://www.rtfreespeach.org (it's available - I checked).


Note - there are many other places to register a domain - the one I listed above was the 1st to pop up when I searched.


 



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The monster under the bed

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 See positive works, pretty sure the administrators will act on this. A $30 investment, ad + domain is worth a try. We could even have a contest for best written ad. Positive and fun!    Note, don't let the sappy sounding words fool you, in real life I am a Bastid.  

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karen

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lol okay we might want to try something more on the lines of "www.rtfreespeech.com" (nobody'll ever find it if it's spelled "speach" lol!)

www.rtfreespeech.com is indeed available.

Also available is:
www.rockawayspeaks.com
www.rockawayfreespeech.com
www.rt-issues.com
www.speakyourmindrt.com

plus I'm sure millions of others...


Anyway, the domain name is around $7, but with hosting and a couple of email addresses, the most basic packages run about $150 a year. (I imagine the email could be done without, that's about $40)

Unless I'm wrong, I think all the rest of that stuff's needed...

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