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Zoning ordinances can be changed!


Proof that zoning ordinances affecting a proposed project can be changed.  Proof comes from right in our own backyard (literally for some of us)....My personal opinion - there's too much HORSE ANURE going before planning boards these days ():


Developers: Horse farm may not need zoning OK


Ruling by county could pre-empt board decision

By Rob Seman, Daily Record

BOONTON TWP. -- Prospective developers looking to build a 100-stall equestrian facility on Rockaway Valley Road told the township zoning board that the county's blessing of the proposal last week may pre-empt the local board's decision.

Mary Anne Brennan, an attorney for horse enthusiast Catherine McMullen-Blake of Essex Fells, said the developers are waiting for the Morris County Agricultural Development Board to memorialize last week's decision before formally making that argument.

McMullen-Blake, sole owner of Ceemacfarm, the company that bought the preserved former farm of Fred Weiss Jr., is appealing zoning officer Edward Bucceri's decision that the agriculture allowed in the residential zone does not include horseback riding lessons, boarding or training -- all part of the company's business proposal.

"There is the possibility that it (the county agricultural board's decision) could pre-empt the decision that it (the proposal) does not meet the definition of agricultural use," Brennan said.

The assertion seemed to bristle some zoning board members.

"I have to admit, as I just heard you make this statement, the hair went up on the back of my head," zoning board Chairman William Garro said.

A discussion concerning whether the county board needs to make a decision before the case can proceed before the zoning board took up about an hour at an earlier zoning board meeting, Garro said.

"If the applicant knows we are going to be pre-empted, why are they using our time?" Garro asked Friday.

Brennan agreed to the zoning board's request on Thursday for an extension of the 120-day period from the time McMullen-Blake appealed Bucceri's decision. That period would have expired June 14, forcing the board to make a decision before its next meeting on June 17. Garro said another extension may be needed.

The board will first hear other cases, which have been postponed to deal with the equestrian center application, at its next meeting, he said.

Zoning board member Edward Mainardi Jr. said the county agriculture board's purview was the land's deed restriction, not township ordinances.

"I don't see how we're bound by their decision," Mainardi said.

The county board last week voted 4-3 that the proposal meets the definition of agriculture in the deed that restricts the land as a preserved farm.

Frank Pinto, executive director of the CADB, said he did not know whether the county's decision would pre-empt the zoning board. Pinto said previously that the county board could not stop the project with its decision, but could have shut the facility down after the fact if the board decided it did not meet the definition of agriculture.

The township committee last week introduced an ordinance amending its land use laws to include equestrian facilities that provide boarding, breeding, caring, training, showing, buying, selling and brokering of horses, as well as training of horses and riders and handlers, as a "conditional accessory use to an agricultural use."

Mayor William Ford said the ordinance was introduced because there are a number of properties in the township that could be used as equestrian facilities.

The ordinance sets restrictions for proposed buildings and number of horses. It would allow no more than one horse per acre on usable land. The former Weiss farm measures about 58 acres, about 26 of which are wetlands.

Todd Maino, the prospective manager of the facility, said the equestrian center would house 40 horses owned by customers, 40 horses owned by the farm and 10 owned by McMullen-Blake and himself. The remaining 10 stalls would be left for expansion, Maino said.

Brennan said that Maino "is encouraging them (the township committee) to adopt a more reasonable proposal."

Brennan said the one-horse-per-acre rule pertains more to horses in pasture.

"So, for a horse that's going to be fed in a stable, it doesn't have any bearing," Brennan said. Maino will provide information supporting that opinion at future township committee meetings, she said.

Maino continued his testimony to the board Thursday night and also was questioned by neighbors who oppose the project.

"I'm not against this horse farm," said Kimberly Downes, a Valley Road resident. "I'm going to be right across the street from you. I'm against the size."

Downes and other neighbors questioned plans for hippotherapy, a form of physical therapy that involves horseback riding, as well as other activities on the facility.

"Do you know where you are going to be growing hay?" township resident Mary Lee Fulcher asked.

Maino said hay production for the facility is an issue that the county agriculture board and Rutgers Cooperative Extension were examining, but that both offices already had issued recommendations.

"They are proposing that we do not do hay production at this time, that we use the land for pasturing," Maino said.



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Time of decision

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The "time of decision" rule is often used when the result is in favor of the applicant.  This is a win-win scenario.  There is no possibilty of a legal challenge.


It's much more dangerous to use this rule to change zoning laws in the middle of a proceeding to deny an applicant that would have been approved otherwise.  In the case of a religious entity, this is exactly why RLUIPA was established.  It was to ensure that HoWs would be treated like any other entity.  It's meant to ensure the special, discrimantory measures are not enacted to prevent a HoW where another, non-religious entity would be allowed. 


While certain parts of RLUIPA could be overturned, this part of RLUIPA will not be overturned at any level of the judiciary. 



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Zoning Rules

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Originally posted by: Time of decision
"The "time of decision" rule is often used when the result is in favor of the applicant.  This is a win-win scenario.  There is no possibilty of a legal challenge. It's much more dangerous to use this rule to change zoning laws in the middle of a proceeding to deny an applicant that would have been approved otherwise.  In the case of a religious entity, this is exactly why RLUIPA was established.  It was to ensure that HoWs would be treated like any other entity.  It's meant to ensure the special, discrimantory measures are not enacted to prevent a HoW where another, non-religious entity would be allowed.  While certain parts of RLUIPA could be overturned, this part of RLUIPA will not be overturned at any level of the judiciary.  "


First of all, the Boonton Township ruling is OPPOSED to the applicant.  Second, we now have testinomy on record from our town planning stating that the conditions to our conditional zoning are faulty and need to be repaired immediately.  All they really need to do is put HARD NUMBERS on the preamble, which according to our town planner, is too vague to be enforceable.  Why it was not changed somewhere in the past 10 years (under his watch) is a mystery, but clearly, if enforceable, the preamble would be a major blow to the applicant.



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True

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RT can change the ordinance.  However, the clearly discriminatory nature of the change (meaning done only b/c of the existance of the CC application), will lead a court to strike down its application to the CC application.  It is the difference b/w changes the merely "occur" during the pendancy of an application and changes that are "in response" to a particular application.  The zoning change will be effective for all future applications, but will not be effective to stop CC.  Of course you are welcome to try that, you will likely be as dissapointed in your township attorney's opinion on your chances of victory as you were in your township planner's opinion of the "is it a church" question.

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Craig Maier

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Just make the change and let CC fight us in court on it.  That will take 3 to 5 years.  That is effectively an eternity.  I am quite sure Agilent is going to get real sore when they see a five year legal battle lining up - - - so let us line it up and wave it in their face.

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rockres23yrs

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That seems to make a lot of sense.  Maybe a court will allow it, perhaps not.  One thing for certain is that if we don't try, we lose by default.  The fact that the preamble predates the application and only is being clarified rather than written from scratch should weigh strongly in the Township's favor.  Additionally, if the more clearly defined version of the preamble addresses legitimate concerns of traffic, environment and impact, I don't see how a judge would rule against it.



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Zoning Rules

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RT can change the ordinance.  However, the clearly discriminatory nature of the change (meaning done only b/c of the existance of the CC application), will lead a court to strike down its application to the CC application. 


Remember, our planning expert clearly testified that the current rules on the conditions for conditional zoning are inadequate and unenforcable and need to be changed.  They do not need to completely rewrite the rules, they merely need to quantify the statements they make so an applicant can better understand them.


That said, if cc sues, it'll be for a court to decide if the rules are too onerous or if they are reasonable.


 



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karen

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And, oh, please, you know they're gonna sue for one reason or another, so what does it matter.

They won't make changes to their plan that suit our township; the township will make demands they're not happy with.

The thing'll get shot down at some point as detrimental to the well-being of the community, then they'll sue and scream "RLUIPA!"

Who cares when it actually takes place. The sooner Marci comes, the better.

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Craig Maier

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Yup!  I think that it will be very cathartic for almost the entire town of RT to see the lawsuit begin.  The pain of waiting for this absolute eventuality is totally excruciating for a lot of us. 


Let the Games Begin! 



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BJR

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Better yet, we should continue to drag this out for a couple more years at the zoning and planning board level, then change the law in 2006. This way we pocket 1.2M from Agilent for legal fees.




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Taxman

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And up go our taxes as soon as the suit begins.

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karen

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The suit is inevitable. Our taxes will go up regardless.

But will our taxes go up and our lifestyle be changed, or will our taxes go up and we maintain our township the way we like it?

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Craig Maier

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Karen,


That is the difference, indeed.  I will gladly pay to keep this environment clean.  However, I will loathe paying to support Ireland and the CC folly which will destroy the area.



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Did you notice?

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That even though he was an instigator, on this issue, Matthew was apparently correct.  He said that he didn't think CC's application could be denied based on the current zoning laws.  Now the main talk is about changing the laws because it seems that CC couldn't really be denied given the current situation.  you were right Matthew, I'll give you that.  But when the laws are changed, you're opinion better change to if you want to be "right" again.

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Originally posted by: Did you notice?
"That even though he was an instigator, on this issue, Matthew was apparently correct.  He said that he didn't think CC's application could be denied based on the current zoning laws.  Now the main talk is about changing the laws because it seems that CC couldn't really be denied given the current situation.  you were right Matthew, I'll give you that.  But when the laws are changed, you're opinion better change to if you want to be "right" again."


Ah...I love it when the spinners' begin.  It's been so quiet at nj.con without spin, I'd been missing it until now. 


You twist words around in an attempt to make your own point (I'm sure Craig will think this style very familiar).


Nobody EVER said cc can not be denied based on current zoning rules.  The pb has yet to hear from the architects, the traffic experts, the environmental experts, etc...  What WAS said was that the current preamble to the conditions for conditional use were too vague to be legal and need to be re-written.  That said, the preable to the conditions for conditional use CLEARLY were intended to block a project like cc.  The only problems are that the authors of the preamble apparantly were not aware of how things need to be re-written AND our current planning expert never noticed the problem until now.



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So Funny

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The only spin is coming from the anti-applicants now.  Spin-spin-spinning like a top!  HI   LARRY    US

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Jay R

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Originally posted by: So Funny

"The only spin is coming from the anti-applicants now.  Spin-spin-spinning like a top!  HI   LARRY    US"


Oh?  And who said that the applicant could not be denied under the current zoning laws.  Please point me to the statement.


Go ahead - spin away!




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Matthew

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Nope, he's (she's?) right, I was right.  Can't be denied based on current zoning laws.  That was made quite clear at the last meeting.  Was it said specifically?  Almost, in response to one of Berger's questions, but anyone with a clue at that meeting understood what was being said.


And as for you all here hanging your hat on the "preamble" Hail Mary pass that you think is going to work for you.  That's all it's going to be, a Hail Mary.  Good luck, you're going to need it.


And I must caution you Jay & Craig, please think carefully before responding to these points (even disguising it to be "To the board").  I wouldn't want you to go back on your promise not to respond to me.


shhhhhhhhhhhh.


 


Matthew



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Originally posted by: Matthew
"Nope, he's (she's?) right, I was right.  Can't be denied based on current zoning laws.  That was made quite clear at the last meeting.  Was it said specifically?  Almost, in response to one of Berger's questions, but anyone with a clue at that meeting understood what was being said. And as for you all here hanging your hat on the "preamble" Hail Mary pass that you think is going to work for you.  That's all it's going to be, a Hail Mary.  Good luck, you're going to need it. And I must caution you Jay & Craig, please think carefully before responding to these points (even disguising it to be "To the board").  I wouldn't want you to go back on your promise not to respond to me. shhhhhhhhhhhh.   Matthew"




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To the Board?

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Your message was "To the Board", so I guess you're calling everyone here a "Jackass"!


 


LOL!



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To the board

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Originally posted by: To the Board?

"Your message was "To the Board", so I guess you're calling everyone here a "Jackass"!   LOL!"


You're still a jackass!




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