sorry...don't know why this posted twice...

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Originally posted by: Jarret
"Not to nitpick - but what he said was "all may be saved" - purposefully vague."

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i didn't take the MAY as a vague statement in regards to a persons faith...

may - Word "may" usually is employed to imply permissive, optional or discretional, and not mandatory.

i took it more...no...not everyone will be saved...some are not worthy to get into heaven b/c of their actions...lives on earth...

Fr. Farrell's statement: "He is not cutting out the Jews and others" and "Let us leave salvation in the hands of the Savior".

Yes...there is a judgement at death...but it is not based on the religion you practice...

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Originally posted by: Craig Maier
"Maria, I think that the quote is interestingly vague.  I also would not put too much emphasis on literal interpretations of the New Testament based on its Geneology.  The four priests that I spoke with made that point very clear to me - - - the document is not to be taken literally.  That is a basic Roman Catholic position on the bible. I believe that the Roman Catholic church has it right and in the proper perspective.  So do the Lutherans, Methodists, Episcopaleans, and Presbyterians.  They followed the lead of the Catholic Church on the matter at hand. "

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Dear Friend,
The Bible is the inspired word of God. And most especially the words of Jesus must be taken as they are written. At the same time, you must know the context in which they were spoken, the historical setting, etc. In this passage, Jesus is explaining that He is God and He has been sent to save the world. He is not cutting out the Jews and others. He is speaking to the Jews in this context. He is the promised Messiah and He is telling them in Him they will be saved. All people may be saved, even those who do not know Jesus' name, even those who do not believe in God. Let us leave salvation in the hands of the Savior.

Father Tim Farrell

 

Craig,

Father Farrell isn't being vague at all in the two bolded statements above.  He is saying that the Catholic Church's position is:  Jesus' words are correctly recorded in the NT.  Jesus is God. 

This seems to disagree with what you are saying.

 

Oh, and Craig, I suppose PBS could be getting its numbers wrong, but I doubt it:

How George W. Bush became a born-again Christian -- and the impact that decision has had on his political career -- is the focus of FRONTLINE's report, "The Jesus Factor." Through interviews with Bush family friends, advisers, political analysts, and observers -- as well as excerpts from the president's speeches, interviews, and debates -- this one-hour documentary chronicles George W. Bush's personal religious journey while also examining the growing political influence of the nation's more than 70 million evangelical Christians.

sounds like the Catholic church is coming in a strong #2.

sorry...i should've put the quotes around the first paragraph...that is something jarrett wrote...

thanks.

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Originally posted by: Jarret
"I don't think I wrote that."

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my sincerest apologies...it was VAGUE? who wrote it...SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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Originally posted by: Matthew
"   I wrote it. Matthew"

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Is it illegal to post something here without "identifying" myself?

If it is, then I must confess.

I have been posting under MANY different names.

I might as well get it all off my chest.

I am:

Vague

Ted Doty

Thankful

Bystander

fyrral

rockres23yrs

Freedom Rider

Barometer

Gilbert

Mark B.

Jay R.

Maria

Thinker

Craig

I am also:

 

just kidding.

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Originally posted by: Maria
"matthew...what the heck was that all about??? you ok, man??? i accidentally attributed some words to jarrett...he corrected me...i apologized and cleared it up - it was someone posting under the name Vague?...you went off the deep-end..."

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According to Craig I have been way off the deep end for quite some time. I guess that's why he's afraid to converse with me.

In any case, I did write the "Vague?" posting and in my haste forgot to sign my name.  Really.

 

Matthew

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Originally posted by: Bystander
"(( I am: Vague.. Ted Doty.. Thankful.. Bystander.. fyrral.. rockres23yrs.. Freedom Rider.. Barometer.. Gilbert .. Mark B. ..Jay R. .. Maria.. Thinker.. Craig.. I am also: .. just kidding. )) Hahahahahahahahahahahah .... not sure but I think I'm happy to see me on your list! ... but you left a lot off - what's up with that????? (joking, joking) .... Hmmmmmmmmmmmm ... Now here's something to consider !!!! ..... Maybe this whole message board is really just ONE person with many multiple personalities a la Sybil ????? Now THAT's a sad thought to ponder, eh !!!!! Yikes! Thanks for the laugh, Matthew !!!! -B. "

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It's all a scam to see if Jenkins & Koloff will fall for it. 

Well, so far, it's worked pretty well.

But boy are my fingers getting tired!

(( It's all a scam ... so far, it's worked pretty well... ))

Hahahahah .... hook, line and sinker -- kudos to you!

I have to admit to being curious as to what your modus operandi really is ultimately all about... Conspiracy theorist that I am, if nothing else, I've learned from online life that absolutely anything's possible out there in the
anonymous world of bbs and message boards.

(( ... But boy are my fingers getting tired!... It's so hard for one person to keep all these names and personalities straight! ))

Hahahaha... Hmmm .. this sounds like a great concept for a made-for-TV movie or TV series!


Take care,



-B.