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Hi,
I just wanted to take a moment to review the purpose of VORT. We oppose an application to develop an environmentally sensitive part of Rockaway Twp., specifically 140 Green Pond Rd.
A review of the master plan of the township denotes this portion of town as environmentally sensitive, thereby it is not simply our opinion that it is environmentally sensitive, it is documented fact. This area is predominately “wet lands” and is documented as such in many official documents in the State of NJ.
In addition to our concerns over the environment we are extremely concerned over the traffic impact this project could have on the road ways. The roads in question include – Green Pond Rd., Rt. 80, Morris Ave, Meridian Rd., Old Beach Glenn, Farber Hill, Sanders Rd. and all other road ways within this portion of town. Traffic flow, congestion and safety are the primary concerns we have.
Water is a significant and urgent problem associated with this application for redevelopment. The land is surrounded by very important water ways that move water from one reservoir to another reservoir. These reservoirs provide drinking water to Jersey City, Newark and Kearney. The land also sits on the well fields that provide Rockaway Twp with its drinking water. The addition of 1000 parking spaces will have significant negative impact on the water quality in the rivers and well fields. There are massive environmental concerns with this application. There are MANY issues that the State of NJ is attempting to deal with new legislation that will protect the land, air, and water as well as help to limit urban sprawl. These matters make it very clear that these are STATE WIDE problems that require swift attention in order to protect the land, air and water from further harm.
First aid and safety are of major concern for several reasons. First, the only way to get from the north of town to our local hospital is via Green Pond Rd., a one lane road with no shoulder in many areas. Fire and first aid units will have a difficult time getting in and out of the north end of town with thousands of vehicles on the roads at peek times, which include Sundays but also includes “special events” which can happen at any day or time. Further, the only place we have to land a helicopter in the north section of town is on the 140 Green Pond Rd. Property. A week ago Sunday a man was injured at 7:30am Sunday morning and was flown out from that location. According to the plans submitted by Christ Church the area where the helicopter landed is marked as a “staging area” for construction equipment for the first 2 years that they will occupy the space. Thus it is unclear if there will be a space available to land a helicopter - during testimony by Mr. Ireland this was discussed, yet no changes to the plan were submitted to date. To continue in the area of infrastructure the need for additional police officers during peek traffic times will be significant, calling for the tax payers to contribute to the cost of such services by means of compensations to the officers and lack of staffing to other functions in town.
Lastly, the taxes are a significant issue. The loss of $631,000.00 is devastating. Coupled with the fact that the town will be required to provide services year in and year out while our expense’s increase so will our taxes, yet still no $631,000 + inflation.
At this point in the process we are attempting to ensure that this application is being heard by the proper board. Failure to have the application heard in the proper form does not help either side in this process. The “LAND USE” definition of “Church” is what is being questioned and testimony has been heard, more is to come. This application is in its infancy and suggestions that the town is attempting to “stall” are naive at best and simply meant to incite at worse.
This is the focus of VORT; suggestions of anything other are simply not true.
By the by, I am posting this over "there" as "RT50years"...lets see if it will last. I know, pathetic as it is, I am still charging windmills over there...
It's an uphill battle--It certainly is hard to stay motivated to keep posting rebuttals up there to the nonsense that moron spews--just to have them deleted, your name blocked, and have to create a new one.
But I guess that's their objective, for us to give up.
I just wanted to take a moment to review the purpose of VORT. We oppose an application to develop an environmentally sensitive part of Rockaway Twp., specifically 140 Green Pond Rd.
Is it the purpose of VORT to ridicule David Ireland for selling books & tapes?
Is it the purpose of VORT to portray David Ireland as a liar by the 9/11 -SeniorCenter comments?
A review of the master plan of the township denotes this portion of town as environmentally sensitive, thereby it is not simply our opinion that it is environmentally sensitive, it is documented fact. This area is predominately “wet lands” and is documented as such in many official documents in the State of NJ.
This fact didn’t stop the town from allowing the area to be heavily developed by HP. Do church members cause more environmental damage than office workers?
In addition to our concerns over the environment we are extremely concerned over the traffic impact this project could have on the road ways. The roads in question include – Green Pond Rd., Rt. 80, Morris Ave, Meridian Rd., Old Beach Glenn, Farber Hill, Sanders Rd. and all other road ways within this portion of town. Traffic flow, congestion and safety are the primary concerns we have.
Are you just as concerned about the rapid development occurring all over Green Pond Rd. and the inherent traffic impact? If so, what efforts have you made to make these concerns known?
Water is a significant and urgent problem associated with this application for redevelopment. The land is surrounded by very important water ways that move water from one reservoir to another reservoir. These reservoirs provide drinking water to Jersey City, Newark and Kearney. The land also sits on the well fields that provide Rockaway Twp with its drinking water. The addition of 1000 parking spaces will have significant negative impact on the water quality in the rivers and well fields. There are massive environmental concerns with this application. There are MANY issues that the State of NJ is attempting to deal with new legislation that will protect the land, air, and water as well as help to limit urban sprawl.
Do you consider a church building to be “urban sprawl”? Why is it “urban”?
These matters make it very clear that these are STATE WIDE problems that require swift attention in order to protect the land, air and water from further harm.
If CC complies with the NJ environmental regulations, will you still oppose them on environmental grounds?
First aid and safety are of major concern for several reasons. First, the only way to get from the north of town to our local hospital is via Green Pond Rd., a one lane road with no shoulder in many areas. Fire and first aid units will have a difficult time getting in and out of the north end of town with thousands of vehicles on the roads at peek times, which include Sundays but also includes “special events” which can happen at any day or time.
“Fire and first aid units will have a difficult time getting in and out of the north end”
Has any proof been offered that this is a true statement? Let's hear it.
Further, the only place we have to land a helicopter in the north section of town is on the 140 Green Pond Rd. Property. A week ago Sunday a man was injured at 7:30am Sunday morning and was flown out from that location. According to the plans submitted by Christ Church the area where the helicopter landed is marked as a “staging area” for construction equipment for the first 2 years that they will occupy the space. Thus it is unclear if there will be a space available to land a helicopter - during testimony by Mr. Ireland this was discussed, yet no changes to the plan were submitted to date.
Did Agilent have a standing legal obligation to keep that space forever open for helicopter traffic? If they had wanted to develop that space and eliminate it as a helicopter landing site, could they have?
To continue in the area of infrastructure the need for additional police officers during peek traffic times will be significant, calling for the tax payers to contribute to the cost of such services by means of compensations to the officers and lack of staffing to other functions in town.
Won’t CC be obligated to cover the costs of any needed traffic control?
Lastly, the taxes are a significant issue. The loss of $631,000.00 is devastating. Coupled with the fact that the town will be required to provide services year in and year out while our expense’s increase so will our taxes, yet still no $631,000 + inflation.
Is there ANY legal reason to continue to discuss taxes other than to inflame township residents? Will taxes be considered by the planning board? Will taxes be considered by any judicial body that renders a verdict in this case?
Has VORT gone to any lengths to educate RT residents on what the tax impact of a school at the Agilent site would be?
At this point in the process we are attempting to ensure that this application is being heard by the proper board. Failure to have the application heard in the proper form does not help either side in this process. The “LAND USE” definition of “Church” is what is being questioned and testimony has been heard, more is to come. This application is in its infancy and suggestions that the town is attempting to “stall” are naive at best and simply meant to incite at worse.
Was it imperative for the PB attorney to question whether the applicant is really a church? How many other applicants before the planning board have been sidetracked for months because they’ve been required to prove that they are what they very obviously are?
This is the focus of VORT; suggestions of anything other are simply not true.
Why do you have to keep repeating how people should see your organization? Won’t you be judged on the actions and statements of your members no matter what you claim your focus really is?
quote: Originally posted by: Hey...CC Supporters "does it not give you pause as to the negative sentiment your proposal brings to the residents? "
The negative sentiment?...OH YEAH! voRTies don't like the color of some congregants who'd drive to church...or as Lisa would say; "I don't like the traffic".
voRTies also feel threatened by Christianity or as Lisa would say: "I don't like the impact".
quote: Originally posted by: Ted Doty " The negative sentiment?...OH YEAH! voRTies don't like the color of some congregants who'd drive to church...or as Lisa would say; "I don't like the traffic". voRTies also feel threatened by Christianity or as Lisa would say: "I don't like the impact"."
quote: Originally posted by: Ted Doty " The negative sentiment?...OH YEAH! voRTies don't like the color of some congregants who'd drive to church...or as Lisa would say; "I don't like the traffic". voRTies also feel threatened by Christianity or as Lisa would say: "I don't like the impact"."
race card again, ted??? give it up...it's really just pathetic...
threatened by christianity??? what the hell are you talking about??? many of us are christians!!!
"The negative sentiment?...OH YEAH! voRTies don't like the color of some congregants who'd drive to church...or as Lisa would say; "I don't like the traffic".
voRTies also feel threatened by Christianity or as Lisa would say: "I don't like the impact"."
As I have stated due to other obligations I have been away from the board for several days and am only reading this now. I am yet again amazed at Mr. Dotys anger and hate. He now claims to know what I am thinking, yet I have never had a conversation with the man. He is a very confussed individual who has some delution that he knows all. He could not be further from the truth on just about EVERYTHING he has posted about me.
Ted how in Gods name can I, a Christian, be fearful of Christians? Yes, my husband is Jewish and I respect his religion - as he mine. I am very comfortable with my relationship with God and do not fear God or religion or the beliefs of others. Are you deflecting your own feelings?
Yet again you attempt to turn the conversation into a matter of the color of ones skin, is this a subject that is important to you? It means nothing to me, nor the other members of Voices of Rockaway Twp.
The opposition to the application is based on impact, environment, taxes and infrastructure. What part of this is not clear to you? Do you really want your water to be tainted? Do you wish to destroy the environment that houses animals and is crutial to the wetlands? Do you want the tax payers of this town to not have access to fire and first aid services in a time efficient manner? Do you wish for the roads to be congested and destroyed by the massive demands of several thousands more cars, what about the air pollution from these cars? What about all of the environmental impact? i COULD GO ON AND ON...
You are really something ted. May you find happiness somewhere in your life, and soon. Have you ever stated anything truthful in your life?
Ted, Shame on you. You should be so ashamed of yourself and if you care a true catholic I do hope you are headed for confession as stated in a previous post, because you need it.
You are the most pathetic person I have ever come across and believe it or not I hope you do find something in the world to be happy about.
I hope someday soon you see the lies you are speading and the hate you have created (within yourself) is nonproductive and simply a waste of energy.
Welcome back. I see you took the time to answer Ted's posts. How about answering some other questions in this thread (not from Ted).
Here they are again, in bold, in case you missed them initially.
I just wanted to take a moment to review the purpose of VORT. We oppose an application to develop an environmentally sensitive part of Rockaway Twp., specifically 140 Green Pond Rd.
Is it the purpose of VORT to ridicule David Ireland for selling books & tapes?
Is it the purpose of VORT to portray David Ireland as a liar by the 9/11 -SeniorCenter comments?
A review of the master plan of the township denotes this portion of town as environmentally sensitive, thereby it is not simply our opinion that it is environmentally sensitive, it is documented fact. This area is predominately “wet lands” and is documented as such in many official documents in the State of NJ.
This fact didn’t stop the town from allowing the area to be heavily developed by HP. Do church members cause more environmental damage than office workers?
In addition to our concerns over the environment we are extremely concerned over the traffic impact this project could have on the road ways. The roads in question include – Green Pond Rd., Rt. 80, Morris Ave, Meridian Rd., Old Beach Glenn, Farber Hill, Sanders Rd. and all other road ways within this portion of town. Traffic flow, congestion and safety are the primary concerns we have.
Are you just as concerned about the rapid development occurring all over Green Pond Rd. and the inherent traffic impact? If so, what efforts have you made to make these concerns known?
Water is a significant and urgent problem associated with this application for redevelopment. The land is surrounded by very important water ways that move water from one reservoir to another reservoir. These reservoirs provide drinking water to Jersey City, Newark and Kearney. The land also sits on the well fields that provide Rockaway Twp with its drinking water. The addition of 1000 parking spaces will have significant negative impact on the water quality in the rivers and well fields. There are massive environmental concerns with this application. There are MANY issues that the State of NJ is attempting to deal with new legislation that will protect the land, air, and water as well as help to limit urban sprawl.
Do you consider a church building to be “urban sprawl”? Why is it “urban”?
These matters make it very clear that these are STATE WIDE problems that require swift attention in order to protect the land, air and water from further harm.
If CC complies with the NJ environmental regulations, will you still oppose them on environmental grounds?
First aid and safety are of major concern for several reasons. First, the only way to get from the north of town to our local hospital is via Green Pond Rd., a one lane road with no shoulder in many areas. Fire and first aid units will have a difficult time getting in and out of the north end of town with thousands of vehicles on the roads at peek times, which include Sundays but also includes “special events” which can happen at any day or time.
"Fire and first aid units will have a difficult time getting in and out of the north end of town"
Has any proof been offered that this is a true statement? Let's hear it.
Further, the only place we have to land a helicopter in the north section of town is on the 140 Green Pond Rd. Property. A week ago Sunday a man was injured at 7:30am Sunday morning and was flown out from that location. According to the plans submitted by Christ Church the area where the helicopter landed is marked as a “staging area” for construction equipment for the first 2 years that they will occupy the space. Thus it is unclear if there will be a space available to land a helicopter - during testimony by Mr. Ireland this was discussed, yet no changes to the plan were submitted to date.
Did Agilent have a standing legal obligation to keep that space forever open for helicopter traffic? If they had wanted to develop that space and eliminate it as a helicopter landing site, could they have?
To continue in the area of infrastructure the need for additional police officers during peek traffic times will be significant, calling for the tax payers to contribute to the cost of such services by means of compensations to the officers and lack of staffing to other functions in town.
Won’t CC be obligated to cover the costs of any needed traffic control?
Lastly, the taxes are a significant issue. The loss of $631,000.00 is devastating. Coupled with the fact that the town will be required to provide services year in and year out while our expense’s increase so will our taxes, yet still no $631,000 + inflation.
Is there ANY reason to continue to discuss taxes other than to inflame township residents? Will taxes be considered by the planning board? Will taxes be considered by any judicial body that renders a verdict in this case?
Did VORT go to any lengths to educate RT residents on what the tax impact of a school at the Agilent site would be?
At this point in the process we are attempting to ensure that this application is being heard by the proper board. Failure to have the application heard in the proper form does not help either side in this process. The “LAND USE” definition of “Church” is what is being questioned and testimony has been heard, more is to come. This application is in its infancy and suggestions that the town is attempting to “stall” are naive at best and simply meant to incite at worse.
Was it imperative for the PB attorney to question whether the applicant is really a church? How many other applicants before the planning board have been sidetracked for months because they’ve been required to prove that they are what they very obviously are?
This is the focus of VORT; suggestions of anything other are simply not true.
Why do you have to keep repeating how people should see your organization? Won’t you be judged on the actions and statements of your members no matter what you claim your focus really is?
If your questions had any basis in fact I would take a little time to answer them one by one. However seeing as your thoughts are simply your thoughts and your questions are all over the place it is not really practicable.
I will say this, you are wrong about nearly everything and some research would help you understand things better.
The purpose of Voices of Rockaway Twp have been clearly stated on our website. If Mr. Ireland made statments to us that he later "ammended" re the 9/11 comment and we told people what he said about the date his tape was made, that is simply the facts of what happened, if you do not like this fact, then so be it.
Re: "goodies", whats the deal? This is a positive term. Since the date that term was used many many other things have been said by so called supporters of the application, hateful, nasty, and evil things (including a man of the cloth calling our town racist), yet you are stuck on the word "goodies"??
Do some research HP did not build, in fact the town limited the use of that property in zoning to a less invastive class nearly 25 years ago.
One must understand the law to understand why taxes ARE something to be concerned with. It can not be the ONLY reason to turn down an application, however it will have impact on the town that is significant, it can be part of the converstation.
Traffic, is interesting and it is clear again you have not done your homework. I have handed you many items, this one I would like to see you research on your own. I will give you some hints, Mr. Ireland said it for himself what his position was on road improvements in the planning board meetings.
I will end with your comments about the schools interest in the Agilent site. Voices has been clear about our direction. The facts are simple, the school is not interested in the location and there is nothing to educate anyone about that the BOE had not already been doing. All data was available in the meetings and the location is now off the table. The big difference here is that the Christ Church application is a real thing, the school was simply a thought.
