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Originally posted by: Very Odd Indeed
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46% number is from the recent PBS special on President Bush.  I'd have to check their site to see their sources.

Interesting info on Craig's  "Fundies":

Washington, Apr. 13—(RNS) A new survey finds the vast majority of U.S. evangelicals view themselves as part of mainstream American society while at the same time believing they have to fight to be heard by mainstream Americans.

The results of the survey, conducted for the PBS television program "Religion & Ethics NewsWeekly" and U.S. News & World Report, were released at a Tuesday news conference.

The wide-ranging survey by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research of Washington, D.C., looked at political, religious and racial diversity among evangelicals as well as their beliefs, values and behavior. Findings reveal a division among evangelicals about the leaders who are often depicted as their representatives as well as whether someone must be "born again" to enter heaven.

But a significant percentage of evangelicals relate a tension between having arrived on the American scene and being a community of Rodney Dangerfields within the larger society.

Three-quarters of all evangelical Christians believe they fit into mainstream American society and exactly the same percentage--75 percent --say they have to fight to get heard by mainstream Americans. "These are folks that perceive themselves to be very much in the modern world--and they are, in fact, very much in the modern world--but they do not see themselves as being of the world," said John Green, a political science professor at the University of Akron who acted as an adviser to the survey.

The national poll of 1,610 respondents was conducted between March 16 and April 4 and had an overall margin of error of plus or minus 2.5 percentage points.

Researchers found distinctions among evangelicals about leaders such as Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell who are often viewed as their representatives. Just 44 percent of all evangelicals offered a favorable view of Falwell while 54 percent viewed Robertson positively. "They're discerning about their own leadership," said Anna Greenberg, vice president of the research firm that conducted the survey.

The world's most prominent Catholic ranked higher than some evangelical brethren. Pope John Paul II earned a favorable rating from 59 percent of evangelicals.

There also are distinctions on key theological viewpoints. While 48 percent of all evangelicals surveyed think only born-again Christians will go to heaven, 45 percent said they do not believe that. Half of white evangelicals believe that to be the case and fewer black evangelicals--42 percent--think born-again Christians are the only ones who will enter heaven.

"I think it does tend to undermine the notion that evangelicals are dogmatic and intolerant about faith matters," Green told Religion News Service. "The fact that they see salvation as something that's available to people other than themselves ... it does go against the stereotype."

Researchers found that while evangelicals were generally opposed to gay marriage--83 percent--that view did not equate with a universal call for a constitutional amendment banning such unions.

Forty-one percent of evangelicals said an amendment is needed while 52 percent said it was sufficient to prohibit gay marriage by law without changing the Constitution.

Moreover, evangelicals were almost evenly divided over whether gay marriage would provide a litmus test for their vote in an election. Forty-six percent said they would not vote for a candidate who disagrees with them about gay marriage but agrees with them on other issues, while 42 percent said they would vote for such a candidate.

Overall, 63 percent of evangelicals said they would support President Bush in the presidential election while 31 percent favored Democratic candidate John Kerry. Sixty-nine percent of white evangelicals consider themselves to be Republicans or lean Republican while 84 percent of African-American evangelicals call themselves Democrats or lean Democrat.

White evangelicals ranked moral values as their top domestic concern but shared general concerns about the economy with other Americans.

That same group of evangelicals was divided about the direction the country is headed, with 44 percent saying it's going in the right direction and 45 percent saying it's on the wrong track.

But when asked if the country's moral values are headed in the right direction or are "pretty seriously off on the wrong track," 76 percent of white evangelicals and 94 percent of African-American evangelicals said they were on the wrong track.

On foreign policy, white evangelicals ranked a strong military, controlling weapons of mass destruction and fighting terrorism far higher than relief efforts and aiding religious minorities. Greenberg said that demonstrated a disconnect between elite and grass-roots evangelicals.

Twenty percent of African-American evangelicals said helping to improve the standard of living in less developed countries is extremely important, compared to 8 percent of white evangelicals.

Michael Cromartie, director of the Evangelical Studies Project of the Ethics & Public Policy Center, said the overall survey confirms the state of evangelicalism, but he questioned if some of the findings related to theological views are actually those of evangelicals.

"There is a certain point where you are no longer evangelical," he said. "Part of the definition of being an evangelical is its exclusivity of the gospel, and that the way of salvation is through Christ, and when you start saying ... `I believe everybody goes to heaven,' what are you, a liberal Protestant now? What are you?"

The survey results will be included in a four-part series on "American Evangelicals" that will air on "Religion & Ethics NewsWeekly" from April 16 through May 7 and a story in the May 3 edition of U.S. News and World Report magazine.

I do not know what population percentages have to do with it anyway.

Assume that you are living in Germany in WW2.  Most Germans believed in what the Nazi Party stood for - - - the majority of them.  Did that fact make their beliefs and actions conscionable?

fyrral - I thought that you were a she.  Sorry, my mistake.  Do not make anything out of it - - - I do not know why I made that assumption. 

Anyway, I do not imply a connection between my personal beliefs regarding Evangalical Fundy Christians and the legal implications regarding the CC business.  It is just that, for me personally, there is an added dimension to the whole thing. They are as follows:

1. It is going to be located on the street where I live and be capable of dealing with 25,000 worshippers each Sunday.  That  will  make it the larges Church on the East Coast of the United States (go Google it and you  shall see).  The next closest in Size is in Houston Texas and it will be larger than CC.

2. It is a bigoted group who consider me and members of my own faith to be substandard compared to their own.

It is my personal right to have strong feelings about this even though it has nothing to do with the legality of the situation.  As you know can not change those facts and the way that I FEEL about them.

Sorry,

Craig

Anyone who believe in their spiritual superiority compared to the group to which I am a member are sicko's in my book.  Mediator would probably have no problems with Hitler and his beliefs.  Mediator, you are acting like a real A$$hole.  I think that you are a CC Shill.  You have dug yourself in deeply not let it stay where it is.  You can not get out of the fact that you support religious superiority of some religious beliefs.  You are, indeed, the bigot.  I am a bigot only in the sense that I hate people who hate me.  Now that is a real tough one for people to swallow.  I guess I should just say, oh well, they have the right to their beliefs.  Well, I guess they do, but I dislike the lot for holding it. 

DONE.