fyrral -

As I have said before, I have every right to my hold my views about religion even if they are bigoted.  I do not like fundamentalist Christians as an entire group because of what they believe and stand for.

Guess what girl?  It is entirelywithin my rights as a US citizen to hold these beliefs.  If you do not like it, that is just too bad.  If you want to do something about it ignore me and stop conversing with me.

For some strange reason, I do not like groups (any group) that say that my group (Jews) are all going to Hell unless we do not accept Jesus as necessary to have a relationship with G-d.  So, basically screw you and mind your own business.

One thing that I think is really funny.  Some people have expressed that I have done irreparable damage to our cause.  That really makes me laugh.  If anything, there is not a person in Morris county that does not know  what is going on does the road here.  Part of that is involved with all the negative press.  Negative press is much better than no press at all.

Besides, do you really think that the Supreme Court (who will ultimately rule on this situation) is actually going to say something to the effect that RT has a religious bigot named Craig Maier and therefore, we rule in favor of CC?

Get a grip.

You certainly have a right to that opinion.  I, however, do not see things that way.  I guess that we will never become good barbacue neighbors.  So what?

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Originally posted by: a view from the sidelines
" Folks, Craigs posts have not done any harm at all. Matter of fact if it not for the publicity many concerned citizens of morris county would not be aware of the true feelings of this community. Bringing this debate above the salami slinging and name calling is just what this forum needs. You should be thanking him instead."

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Craig's feeling are the "True feelings of this community"??????????

Just as a point of syntax.  A community can not have a feeling since it is more a "thing" than it is a human being.  Only human beings have feelings.  So, by definition, my feelings are mine and mine alone.  Your feelings are your and yours alone.  And a whole bunch of them put together does not make for a single "feeling" since communities are things that do not "feel."

Bringing an issue to light may be considered a service to the community. However, regardless of which side of an issue you are on, bringing prejudgment ,intolerance,bigoted views and selfish babble to the issue is not being of service. One reality of the situation as it relates to forums like this message board is that the extremist views and those from the lunatic fringe seem to be the most vocal. Rockaway Township residents and non-residents need to know that these most vocal people don't speak for the residents of the town, and hopefully don't speak for anything representing a majority of the town.In fairness to Mr. Maier, he has made it known in his posts that his views are his own. My goal in engaging some of the people , views and comments I have seen here is to hopefully speak for what I believe and hope to be the silent majority of concerned but fairminded Rockaway residents. I would also hope that some of those silent fairminded folks would be less silent.Because fair or not, and like it or not, Rockaway township will be judged by many on the basis of the rantings of a few. I have been told that engaging Craig and Ted here is in some measure like poking a small caged animal with a stick, and that is not my style. It is however difficult not to engage such discourse even when one finds oneself diving into the cesspool to join in.

Ok sidelines! We need more sidliners from the silent majority to be more vocal.

Barabcue Craig? Well......maybe.....if you were to invite me over......and if you use some of that Jack Danial's old number 7 barbacue sauce........I might even bring the Sam Adams.

fyrral,

It is interesting that you think that you have the ability to speak for the community.  Have you taken a poll?  Are you psychic?  How do you know how many people agree with my position on things or do not?  You are running your thoughts on no data.

I have brought a number of things to this discussion.  Perhaps the most important one is the following:

Ireland is building a Church to support a membership of 25,000, not 5,000. 

Had it not been for me, the town would still be using his ridiculous 5,000 number. 

And, yes, you all are welcome for that.  I did quite a bit of research and analysis and had to get quite rude with Sir Ireland in public in order to get to establish that number as the truth of the situation.

What exactly have you brought to the table of discussion which has been useful?  Nothing as far as I can see.  Now, be useful and work on something besides having a nasty opinion about my opinions.

I have no problem with anything constructive you may add to the process Craig. I never said I did. You may have noticed that I even share the view that this project is too big for the site. It's the rest of the diatribe and the self admitted bigotry that is my concern.If anyone is to oppose this project, it should be only for proper, just and unbigoted reasons. As far as me being a "spokesman" for the views of Rockaway, I didn't make that claim. I did say that I believed and hoped that the views that I stated were the same as the same as the silent majority.Spin doctoring is not your forte sir.

...oh, and by the way, I invited the silent majority and the lurkers here to speak up, and I hope they will. Hopefully in a civil manner. Some have already, as you may have noticed.As far as adding something to the process, does a voice of reason count for anything? Arrogant? Maybe. I'll let others judge that for themselves, and invite them to do so.

Fighting bigotry with bigotry is bigotry, as well as futile.It also makes you one with your "enemy". It also has 0% bearing on the application. These points have been made before.They don't speak for all Christians, and you don't speak for all Jews.Don't be so concerned by the judgements of other mortals.They don't hold the keys to heaven or hell, and don't have the power to send you to either place.This obsession is going to eat you up for no good reason.

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Originally posted by: fyrral
"You might note Craig that I said " a voice of reason" not "the voice of reason" and welcomed opinions how how arrogant that may be. I have thought about it, before I posted it."

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It seems to me it is just as arrogant for you to declare yourself to be a voice of reason.  Is that not for each and every one of us on this bbs to decide that for ourselves and not you for you to make that determination for us?

For that matter, I could say that I am a voice of reason by using the same logic.

A voice of reason ...

is subjective and therefore up to each individual to decide whose voice of reason
(theirs or anyone else's) to listen to, agree with, disagree with, etc etc.


-B.