Ireland Disavows Shills? - The "All Opinions are Welcome, but Sorry no Instigators" Board

Date: Thu May 13 6:12 PM, 2004

RE: RE: Ireland Disavows Shills?

Date: Thu May 13 6:15 PM, 2004

See, very good Craig. Just turn the other cheek and f*ck them. I knew you could do it. Now, let's try that one more time with Matthew.

Take a deep breathe.

Hold it.

Now breathe out.

One more time.

Ready?

Go get him!

ps - I still think your views are disgraceful.

Date: Thu May 13 6:20 PM, 2004

The truth about your bigotry hurts...don't it? .Craig I have one word for you..."decafe" my friend "decafe"

Date: Thu May 13 6:25 PM, 2004

What is a "decafe"?

In all caps, it's an acronym for "Dynamique et Chimie Atmosphérique en Forêt Equatoriale" but I don't think you're involved with them--although they are an environmental group and might be interested in this project...if only they spoke English.

Date: Thu May 13 6:25 PM, 2004

Ted,

Please explain to me exactly the nature of my bigotry. All of us in town really want to know about it. Give us details, please. Be very specific, please. Thanks.

Date: Thu May 13 7:22 PM, 2004

It appears that Mr. Maier is asking for David Ireland to denounce the statement "No one comes to the Father except by Me" and the One who said it. I'm guessing you'd be hard pressed to find any Christian clergy member to denounce that, Craig.

Speaking of that, I asked awhile back what the other Christians here felt was meant by that statement.

As I recall, the silence was deafening. Maybe they'd care to give an honest attempt at explaining what they think it really means?

And Craig, maybe you could give your local Catholic Priest a call and see what he has to say about it.

Matthew

Date: Thu May 13 7:49 PM, 2004

Sorry a&&hole. Clerics from the following religions in this area have been called in the last two weeks, and they all renounce that concept; the religions are as follows:

Roman Catholic

Lutheran

Methodist

Presbyterian

Episcopal

It is just you Fundamentalists that are the bigots. Anyone not believe me?? Make the phone calls yourselves. I do not like Christian Fundamentalists because of this. The think that they are spiritually more superior than I am and I dislike the lot of them for it. And you are the worst because you will not publically admit your position and also admit that the other mentioned religions do not accept this nonsense.

Remember, your Christian house sits on a Jewish foundation else it is a house of cards.

Date: Thu May 13 8:08 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Matthew
"It appears that Mr. Maier is asking for David Ireland to denounce the statement "No one comes to the Father except by Me" and the One who said it. I'm guessing you'd be hard pressed to find any Christian clergy member to denounce that, Craig. Speaking of that, I asked awhile back what the other Christians here felt was meant by that statement. As I recall, the silence was deafening. Maybe they'd care to give an honest attempt at explaining what they think it really means? And Craig, maybe you could give your local Catholic Priest a call and see what he has to say about it. Matthew"

Maybe nobody wants to converse with Matthew because:

He was quoted in the newspaper as being a bigot

The papers stated he might really be against CC - and trying to show CC as a bigot

He did not have the balls to come forward and 'own' his statement for the press. He allows people to be misled.

What does it serve to argue with him?

Date: Thu May 13 8:12 PM, 2004

Jay,

I keep getting sucked in by the cc shill. I gotta try harder dealing with this s-h-i-t.

Date: Thu May 13 8:42 PM, 2004

You can DO it, Craig! lol

Date: Thu May 13 11:33 PM, 2004

Craig,

Did local clergy you spoke to renounced this statement:

"No one comes to the Father except by Me" ?

My suggestion to you is to ask them what it means to them and then let us know.

Or is it possible that this passage is either missing or has been blacked-out in their Bibles?

I see Jay has jumped in to discourage you from responding to me. Lucky for you, since you've pretty much run out of amunition. It's probably best for you to follow him as he drops his weapons and runs away.

Better to live to fight another day than stay and be devoured by an argument that you have absolutely no chance of winning.

But for any who are up to the task, feel free to stay on the field and offer your thoughts on my question.

Again, the question is, what do you make of this:

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"

Additionally I would ask, if God really exists, do you think He would make any attempt to let us know ?

Matthew

Date: Fri May 14 6:36 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Matthew
"Craig, Did local clergy you spoke to renounced this statement: "No one comes to the Father except by Me" ? My suggestion to you is to ask them what it means to them and then let us know. Or is it possible that this passage is either missing or has been blacked-out in their Bibles? I see Jay has jumped in to discourage you from responding to me. Lucky for you, since you've pretty much run out of amunition. It's probably best for you to follow him as he drops his weapons and runs away. Better to live to fight another day than stay and be devoured by an argument that you have absolutely no chance of winning. But for any who are up to the task, feel free to stay on the field and offer your thoughts on my question. Again, the question is, what do you make of this: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" Additionally I would ask, if God really exists, do you think He would make any attempt to let us know ? Matthew "

Craig,

If you are going to ask religious leaders about the quotes from the one who allows lies to stand as truth, the quote you need to ask about is 'I don't see them [the other religions] getting people into heaven'.

Good Luck,

J

Date: Fri May 14 7:01 AM, 2004

Jay,

I spent a day last week researching this. I had used that quote that you suggested and also asked about those biblical statements. Some of my discussions were very protracted. At the risk of being redundant, the Christian religions represented by my research in discussions with local pastors and priests were as follows:

Roman Catholic

Lutheran

Methodist

Presbyterian

Episcopal

They all told me that this sort of thinking comes strictly from Christian Fundamentalists. In particular, it comes mostly from non-denemonational fundamantelist Christian religions in the US. They also pointed out that it is absolutely untrue as part of the belief system of the mainstream. As a matter of fact the Pope of the Catholic church has signed an encyclical (sp?) disavowing any such teachings rendering Jewish spirituality to be the least bit inferior compared to Christian teachings. All of the clergy that I spoke with described Jesus as One Way that a person can get into heaven, but certainly not the only way.

As I have said before and I remain convinved that Fundamentalist Christianity is a bigoted and perverse religion and everyone needs to know it. They feel that their beliefs (which are based on the literal writings in the NT - - - which were written hundreds of years after the death of Jesus) are antisemitic and foul.

If you doubt me, just observe the attitude of that shill on this board and observe his superiority complex aspoused in a self serving book, but not found elsewhere. If you want absolute proof of what I say, simply call a few of the local clergy. You will be very pleasantly suprised. Thank G-d most of Christendom is non-Fundamentalist!!!

Craig

Date: Fri May 14 8:33 AM, 2004

"All of the clergy that I spoke with described Jesus as One Way that a person can get into heaven, but certainly not the only way."

vs.

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"

Craig,

You've been educated by many people about Christianity.

Can both of the above statements be true?

If not, which one is false?

Matthew

Date: Fri May 14 8:59 AM, 2004

craig...ask if they really believe that a guy named noah built an ark and brought a male & female of EVERY animal species on board...saving them all from the floods...

or if they think it is a story that teaches...you know a parable:

Parable
(Gr. parabole), a placing beside; a comparison; equivalent to the Heb. mashal, a similitude. In the Old Testament this is used to denote (1) a proverb (1 Sam. 10:12; 24:13; 2 Chr. 7:20), (2) a prophetic utterance (Num. 23:7; Ezek. 20:49), (3) an enigmatic
saying (Ps. 78:2; Prov. 1:6). In the New Testament, (1) a proverb (Mark 7:17; Luke 4:23), (2) a typical emblem (Heb. 9:9: 11:19), (3) a similitude or allegory (Matt. 15:15; 24:32; Mark 3:23; Luke 5:36; 14:7); (4) ordinarily, in a more restricted sense, a comparison of earthly with heavenly things, "an earthly story with a heavenly meaning," as in the parables of our Lord. Instruction by parables has been in use from the earliest times. A large portion of our Lord's public teaching consisted of parables. He himself explains his reasons for this in his answer to the inquiry of the disciples, "Why speakest thou to
them in parables?" (Matt. 13:13-15; Mark 4:11, 12; Luke 8:9,10). He followed in so doing the rule of the divine procedures, as recorded in Matt. 13:13. The parables uttered by our Lord are all recorded in the synoptical (i.e., the first three) Gospels. The fourth Gospel contains no parable properly so called, although the illustration of the good shepherd (John 10:1-16) has all the essential features of a parable.

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Basically, there is room for translation in the words of the bible...

and again...by living a good life...you are doing as jesus would do...even if jesus isn't a belief in your life...and that is what you will be judged on...

Date: Fri May 14 9:14 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Matthew
""All of the clergy that I spoke with described Jesus as One Way that a person can get into heaven, but certainly not the only way." vs. "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" Craig, You've been educated by many people about Christianity. Can both of the above statements be true? If not, which one is false? Matthew"

Craig,

IMHO, You are being baited again. You converse with a ghost who does not exist. You converse with a ghost who refuses to acknowledge that he is a Fundamentalist and is for Christ Church. You are a real person. Your quotes will be taken out of context. Matthew is a spineless ghost. Ignore him.

Date: Fri May 14 9:16 AM, 2004

Craig, I would like to know if your Rabbi would support or denounce your diatribe. Really and honestly, I would.

Date: Fri May 14 9:23 AM, 2004

craig's rabbi did respond...there was an article in the DR...

Date: Fri May 14 9:38 AM, 2004

To: fyrral

Date: Fri May 14 9:48 AM, 2004

RE: Ireland Disavows Shills?

Date: Fri May 14 10:32 AM, 2004

thanks for the link. I missed that article. Disavowed without being disowned. Sounds like a smart and decent Rabbi to me.

The trouble may be to some rather large extent, that everyone in Mr. Maier's orbit, the town, vort, his own synagogue etc. have been forced to practice "damage control" in response to his diatribes. Who will take this guy seriously any more?

Date: Fri May 14 11:09 AM, 2004

Floods & Ghosts

Date: Fri May 14 11:42 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Matthew
"" And as for you "ghost" comment Jay, it would appear that you haven't revealed your identity on this board either. Maybe we should just call you "Casper" from now on? Matthew"

To all who care:

For the record - My identity has never been questioned by the Daily Record or any other media outlet. I clearly state that I am against the application of CC to purchase 140 Green Pond Road.. None of my posts have ever indicated otherwise.

Matthew's identity was questioned by Mr. Koloff of the Daily Record. Mr. Koloff claimed that Matthew's bigoted remarks might have really been made by a VORT supporter attempting to make CC look bad. Everyone here knows the Truth - Matthew supports CC and his bigoted remarks were made by him. Do they represent the feelings of CC? That's for CC members to tell us (will they?) Matthew allows Mr. Koloff's statement - that he is really a VORT member trying to make CC look bad stand.

If Mr. Koloff were claiming that I was a CC supporter (I am NOT), I would feel it my duty to set him straight and explain any statements I made that were in question.

Obviously Matthew understands that his views are bigoted and does not want Mr. Koloff to know that he really is a CC supporter, so he remains sadly silent, a ghost.

Date: Fri May 14 1:51 PM, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by: Jay R
" Do they represent the feelings of CC? That's for CC members to tell us (will they?)

Jay, you know where to find CC's website, I think their views are plainly stated there. Go take a look.

Matthew allows Mr. Koloff's statement - that he is really a VORT member trying to make CC look bad stand.

Woops, Jay, now you have just mis-quoted Mr. Koloff. He didn't say that, and of course, you know it.

If Mr. Koloff were claiming that I was a CC supporter (I am NOT), I would feel it my duty to set him straight and explain any statements I made that were in question. Obviously Matthew understands that his views are bigoted and does not want Mr. Koloff to know that he really is a CC supporter, so he remains sadly silent, a ghost."

This is silence? Hmmm, I wonder what it would sound like if I made some noise?

I do understand my own views, Jay, and stand ready to explain and defend them here. You on the other hand, have turned tail and run from any debate on the issues raised. Instead, you attempt to raise non-issues in a clearly desperate attempt to determine my identity. Jay, I am no one of consequence.

I remain available to defend and discuss ANY topic that has been brought up. It's your choice if you want to put up the white flag and surrender to any challenge that I put to you. But your attempts to make an issue of my anonymity are getting pretty stale. There's nothing there, Jay, give it a rest.

And if you can't join the debate on the issues I've raised, why bother to respond me at all?

Matthew

Date: Fri May 14 2:05 PM, 2004

RE: Ireland Disavows Shills?

Date: Fri May 14 2:10 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: RT Woman
"I am beginning to see exactly what Jay and Maier have been driving at. Please keep up that online bantor with yourself in this public space - - - it really reveals what you are made of, Matthew. If you think that you speak for the entirity of Christianity, well, all that I can say is that I am very embarassed that I am a Christian like you. Fortunately, I do not belong to a Fundamentalist Congregation like yours - I am Roman Catholic. You give the rest of us tolerant Christians a very bad name. "

RT Woman,

As a Catholic, you might have a view on Jesus' statement in John 14:6 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me".

Please share with me, in your view, what this statement means.

Thanks,

Matthew

Date: Fri May 14 2:20 PM, 2004

The priest at my parish has told me that these things are not to be taken literally. The New Testament is essentially a book of parables - metaphors and not to be taken literally. If you do not agree, then please call your local Catholic Priest. I am not an expert in my own religion, but I trust my clergy. Now, leave me and my religion alone. Thanks, Matthew.

Date: Fri May 14 2:20 PM, 2004

DONT FEED THE TROLLS

Date: Fri May 14 2:38 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: RT Woman
"The priest at my parish has told me that these things are not to be taken literally. The New Testament is essentially a book of parables - metaphors and not to be taken literally. If you do not agree, then please call your local Catholic Priest. I am not an expert in my own religion, but I trust my clergy. Now, leave me and my religion alone. Thanks, Matthew."

So what is to be taken literally in the Bible? Nothing? Why even bother with it in the first place?

How about the 10 commandments, can we take those literally? Or are they really just 10 suggestions?

I will leave you alone now, Woman. You are obviously in no position to defend your beliefs.

Matthew

Date: Fri May 14 2:43 PM, 2004

Master Baiter...

We all see through the bs sport