Ireland Disavows Shills? - The "All Opinions are Welcome, but Sorry no Instigators" Board

Date: Wed May 12 2:27 PM, 2004

Ireland Disavows Shills?

Date: Wed May 12 2:34 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Craig Maier
"Surely, Ireland is aware of what has been going on here. Maybe, he is even one of the Provocateurs himself. But ask yourselves this: Why has Ireland not disavowed the behaviour of the CC supporters on this BBS who have been provoking us here in town with religiously bigoted statements as per Matthew? Ireland, please disavow Matthews statements right here under this posting. Thanks, Craig Maier"

I think we are giving ourselves quite a bit too much credit. I do not oppose the church coming here. I also do not go to the church. But I am quite sure that little attention is being paid to this bbd outside of RT. And Matthew seems to be adamant that he is not from CC.

Good luck getting Rev. Ireland to join our discussion though, that would actually be interesting. I hope your effort succeeds.

Date: Wed May 12 2:45 PM, 2004

It is very naive to actually think that Ireland has no idea what is going on here on this board. It has only triggered about 3 newspaper articles and 6 editorials in the last week. Get real. He is just showing himself to be the man that we know that he is.

Date: Thu May 13 12:41 PM, 2004

I am a supporter of VORT's position , and I have, like many VORT supporters, disavowed the behaviour of Craig Maier.

Date: Thu May 13 12:44 PM, 2004

fyrral,

But you obviously support the antisemetic behaviour of CC shills like Matthew. OK - we got your number. Thanks. Guess you are one of the Special Supreme Group of Saved Souls too? Obviously, you are not Jewish.

Date: Thu May 13 12:46 PM, 2004

None of the bantor provides us with the denounciation of Ireland of his shills and supporters and their behaviour. Remember the one about Jews not getting into heaven, etc. Ireland, you think that is ok to say?

Date: Thu May 13 12:49 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Craig Maier
"fyrral, But you obviously support the antisemetic behaviour of CC shills like Matthew. OK - we got your number. Thanks. Guess you are one of the Special Supreme Group of Saved Souls too? Obviously, you are not Jewish. "

Another anti christian comment by Maier. Go ahead Craig, dig the hole a little deeper.

Date: Thu May 13 1:01 PM, 2004

Mr. Maier, you assume much and know little.Please stop the sophomoric attempt at spin doctoring. Don't presume to define my motives with your bigoted thinking. I have never defended matthhew, and found his and your comments both to be bigoted. And I suppose the Jewish man that wrote a letter to the Daily Record in regard to your bigoted diatribe was not really a Jew either then? I submit sir that you have become an embarrassment to good many Rockaway Residents, and also to people of your own faith (as demonstrated by the letter to the editor I mentioned before), much as Matthew has become an embarrasment to people of his faith. Your public statements suggest you are more alike than different.

Date: Thu May 13 1:41 PM, 2004

Get it right, Ted. I am anti Fundamentalist Christian based on the venom spewed by one of its shills named Matthew which has not been denounced by his spiritual leader, Ireland. If you are not Jewish, stay out of this fight all of you. Period. You have no idea where us Jews are comming from on this and have no way to relate to it. So STOP.

Date: Thu May 13 1:53 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Craig Maier
"Get it right, Ted. I am anti Fundamentalist Christian based on the venom spewed by one of its shills named Matthew which has not been denounced by his spiritual leader, Ireland. If you are not Jewish, stay out of this fight all of you. Period. You have no idea where us Jews are comming from on this and have no way to relate to it. So STOP."

Herson made it pretty clear that your comments do not represent the views of your community. Incidently, a woman belonging to your congregation told me just yesterday at Mary and John's that you don't speak for all Jews

Date: Thu May 13 1:57 PM, 2004

Brilliant deduction, you f - u - cking moron.

Date: Thu May 13 2:06 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Craig Maier
"Brilliant deduction, you f - u - cking moron."

Nice talk, you must be a genius. I'm just pointing out that your congregation has distanced them selves from your bigotted comments.

I'm not sure but I think you see the error of your ways as well.

Date: Thu May 13 2:10 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Ted Doty
" Nice talk, you must be a genius. I'm just pointing out that your congregation has distanced them selves from your bigotted comments. I'm not sure but I think you see the error of your ways as well."

He doesn't.

But hey, he IS a genius. We all know that.

Really Craig, you are.

Really.

Date: Thu May 13 2:17 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: No
" He doesn't. But hey, he IS a genius. We all know that. Really Craig, you are. Really."

If Craig were really smart, he'd stop digging the hole he's in.

Date: Thu May 13 2:51 PM, 2004

Mr. Maier,

I think that your statements are totally uncalled for. Why spew all that hatered to people that you do not even know? You can pounce on Matthew all day and night for his comments. Yet, you are no better than he. You sank to his level and some believe even to a further deepth. You are a disgrace to the residents of Rockaway.

Date: Thu May 13 3:16 PM, 2004

I really do not care what any particular or group of people in RT think of me, quite honestly. I do not like (ergo I am bigoted) any group (specifically Fundamentalist Christianity) who has it as their dogma that all Jews who do not accept Jesus as their Saviour will go to Hell. As a matter of fact, this goes out to any of you who think that to be true. I do not like you if you think that. OK? Am I allowed? I do not like a lot of things either. Is that ok by everyone or do I need everyones permission to be bigoted against a certain group first? BTW - I have not seen any Fundamentalist Christians (like Ireland) denying the concept espoused by Matthew. It is very antisemetic. Shame on all of you for being apologetic for that group of people.

Date: Thu May 13 3:34 PM, 2004

Excuse me?

I never said I agreed with Matthew or that "if you do not accept Jesus...you will go to Hell". I do not agree with that statement. I think that it is a load of crap. And totally uncalled for. Yet, you sir sank even lower than that with your words of hate. You do not need permission from me or anyone to dislike or like a certain group. Yet, do not get defensive with other people who do not share your warped views. You are entitled to your opinion. And I am entitled to completely disagree with your opinion. You are entitled to spew your hate (to an extent). I am entitled to disagree and spew my hate about your opinions. So, very sad. You sit there and spew so much hate and anger. Yet, take a look in the mirror, you are no different than Matthew. I truly hope that you are proud of what a bunch of low lives you both are. Have a very BLESSED day!

Date: Thu May 13 3:38 PM, 2004

I know that it is a very tough concept for you to understand, but I do hate those that as a group hate me and my group. Especially, when that group exhibits a superiority complex. You are very naive and narrow minded about the real world. Bye.

Date: Thu May 13 3:45 PM, 2004

Looks like we are still waiting for Ireland or some other Fundamentalist Christian to disavow Matthews statement about us Jews. Hmmm - - - the silence is deafening. Could it be that these folks really believe this antisemetic vitreol? I think that the answer is "Yes."

Date: Thu May 13 3:55 PM, 2004

If you define me as "hateful" for my view, then Jesus was the biggest hater of them all, for I am merely agreeing with Him. Nothing more, nothing less.

What I have said is very different from what Mr. Maier has said. My statement regarded who I believe will get to Heaven. Also note that I never singled out Jews. I never said "Jews don't go to Heaven". I simply stated my agreement with Jesus' words "No one comes to the Father except by Me". It is my understanding that Jesus directed this statement to all humanity, not just Jews. No one has singled out Jews on this board except Mr. Maier himself.

On the other hand, Mr. Maier has said that "some views aren't acceptable" suggesting that certain opinions (those of Jesus Christ, for example) should not be allowed to be spoken of even in a free society because they're far to offensive.

I have never stated that I think certain views are "not allowed". On the contrary. On this board I have welcomed and encouraged continued open dialogue from any religious perspective. In my view, all views should be allowed. This is the essence of free speech.

Matthew

Date: Thu May 13 4:08 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Craig Maier
"I know that it is a very tough concept for you to understand, but I do hate those that as a group hate me and my group. Especially, when that group exhibits a superiority complex. You are very naive and narrow minded about the real world. Bye."

Why? Can't you be a better person than them? Can't you at least be a bigger person than them? Can't you just turn your cheek and say "FU"? And to answer your question; it is a "very tough" concept for me to understand. I can not understand sinking to the level (or lower, in your case) of an enemy. It would just make me look worse than them and if fact, pretty stupid. Think of this the next time you decided to spew hate. "That's the pot calling the kettle black". You hate them for their views, yet you can not understand why they hate you for your views. Yea, that makes sense.

I am very naive and narrowed mind about the real world. OK? Maybe I just try to see the good in people, until they prove otherwise. OR maybe I just choose to turn the other cheek when someone says something uncalled for and down right stupid. And narrowed mind? Again, the pot calling the kettle black. I think your statements are EXTREMELY narrow minded. Umm, hello, do you know the defination of "narrow minded"? I must admit no one has ever gotten Ted to agree with anything anyone says. EXCEPT, for the fact that you are a complete and utter JACK@SS! WAY TO GO! But just at what expense? You lost the respect of so many. I would be embarrassed to call you family or even a friend. I truly hope that you do not have children. For they are going to be emotionally scarred with a father like you. You would be a disgrace to them. I hope that you are happy with yourself. And as far as not caring what people think about you. LIAR! If you didn't care, you would not see the need to defend yourself to them. Sad sad man you are. You sir, will not be going to Heaven. And not because you are Jewish, but because you are a bigot and filled with hate. May G-D guide you to a better life.

Date: Thu May 13 4:09 PM, 2004

Matthew has stated the following:

"They (Jews) weren't getting people into heaven as far as I could see. You are free to provide evidence to the contrary." Later, he wrote, "I can post some scripture to illuminate . . . "

These concepts are called "Replacement Supercessionist Theology" meaning that as soon as Jesus came along, Judaism became null and void. Fundamentalists adhere to this. Mainstay Christians do not adhere to this such as the following:

Roman Catholic

Lutheran

Presbyterian

Methodist

Episcopal

etc.

As I have said before, I am looking for Ireland or someone of his ilk to disavow Replacement supercessionist theology. It presumes Jewish spiritual illgitimacy. As you know, I believe that it is perverse thinking.

Now, start disavowing Replacement Supercessionist theology below this posting:

Date: Thu May 13 4:22 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Craig Maier
"As I have said before, I am looking for Ireland or someone of his ilk to disavow Replacement supercessionist theology. It presumes Jewish spiritual illgitimacy. As you know, I believe that it is perverse thinking. Now, start disavowing Replacement Supercessionist theology below this posting: "

Has anyone asked you to disavow the basic doctrines of your religion?

Date: Thu May 13 4:25 PM, 2004

Just because Matthew said that, (as f*cked up as that may be) does not mean that it is the views of Christ Church or its members. That would be like saying Rockaway residents agree with you and your views. Which we all know, MOST do not.

I never said Matthew was right. Never said I agreed with the jerk. Yet, I do not agree with you either.

VORT did not denounce you. Why should Ireland denounce Matthew? Who the hell is VORT or Ireland to denouce anyone? What G-D gave either one of them that power? Just because said person is not denounced, does NOT mean that people agree with said person. Get a clue.

You're just mad because Matthew said all this crap (that's what it was), and you thought that you could spew right back at him and everyone would be behind you because they did not want Christ Church to build in Rockaway Twp. Yet, you were WRONG! VERY few, if anyone, agrees with your views. They do not want Christ Church to build here, because it is TOO BIG for Rockaway Twp. NO other reason!

Date: Thu May 13 4:25 PM, 2004

Oh Craig,so what if they do think that? Are you the thought police?As long as they don't act on it in some way to damage other people or deny other people thier rights, what does it matter?Matthew did point out that his/their beliefs did not single out any particular other faith, and I believe that to be a true statement.

They don't control the doors to heaven.Be comfortable with who YOU are and what YOU believe, and it does not matter.This paranoid self serving diatribe of yours is getting old fast, and serves no constructive purpose.

Date: Thu May 13 4:36 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Girl in the City
VORT did not denounce you. Why should Ireland denounce Matthew?

A great question!!To appease a self serving double standard put forth from a bigoted and paranoid thought process maybe? Or maybe just because it was demanded by someone who has already been denounced by a member of his own faith in the Daily Record?

Date: Thu May 13 5:53 PM, 2004

VORT is not a spiritual organization. It is a civic one. Churches and Synagogues need to take a moral stance. The Fundamentalist Christians believe in what I have indicated, including Irelands group. I have not see any of them denounce it. I think that it is a disgusting belief. I also think that anyone who agrees with this belief is disgusting and anti-semetic and I do not like you. OK. Get it, Got it, Good!

Now, Christian Fundamentalists, denounce the abovementioned dogmatic of Supercessionism. It will never happen because all of you are anti-semetic.

Date: Thu May 13 6:03 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Craig Maier
" all of you are anti-semetic."

Isn't it interesting that the same guy who brings up the old myth (circa 1960) that property devalues if blacks move in, is the first one to scream "anti semetism"

Date: Thu May 13 6:05 PM, 2004

"Chruches and Synagogues need to take a moral stance."

Does that mean that your Synagogues should denounce you for your beliefs. Cause I think your beliefs are disgusting. And I do not like you!

Date: Thu May 13 6:08 PM, 2004

Ted,

Go F-u-c-k Yourself. You said that not I. And the fact that you even thought that shows where your head is at.

I know that my property value has gone down and not for that disgusting reason that you indicated, you racist pig. It is because people who are in the market for homes are scared ****less of what is to become of this town due to traffic and infrastructure issues which will drive taxes sky high, you f - u - c-king low life moron.

Go put your bib back on and have mommy give you a change. Your are dribbling and all wet too.