Daily reminder - The "All Opinions are Welcome, but Sorry no Instigators" Board

Date: Tue May 11 4:23 PM, 2004

RE: Daily reminder

Date: Tue May 11 4:37 PM, 2004

When the Chabad has an application before the planning board to massively increase traffic, parking, infrastructure, we'll all discuss it.

When GPBC hires that charismatic leader and needs planning board approval for a massive upgrade in their parking, building, and access roadways, we'll all discuss it.

Right now - the only application in front of the planning board is CC's appication to purchase 140 Green Pond Road.

Every other hypothetic (including what if the Vatican wanted to move to Rockaway) is a meaningless excercise is wasted bandwidth.

TTFN

Date: Tue May 11 6:57 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: irrelevant
"When the Chabad has an application before the planning board to massively increase traffic, parking, infrastructure, we'll all discuss it. When GPBC hires that charismatic leader and needs planning board approval for a massive upgrade in their parking, building, and access roadways, we'll all discuss it. Right now - the only application in front of the planning board is CC's appication to purchase 140 Green Pond Road. Every other hypothetic (including what if the Vatican wanted to move to Rockaway) is a meaningless excercise is wasted bandwidth. TTFN"

It is wasted bandwidth for you, as you have no intelligent reponse to a very valid point.

Your lack of even attempting a reply says it all.

ssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhh

Date: Tue May 11 6:58 PM, 2004

Amendment I - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The first amendment does not give a church the right to destroy land, create traffic, make tax payers foot the bill for the development, treat the community with disrespect nor to create safety hazards.

Before you kick around the 1st amendment- - it is best you understand what it means.

In fact one may argue rather simply that the wording does simply say no law respecting an establishment of religion - thus it would include RLUIPA??? Hmmm ya think thats how Marci got it kicked out the 1st time? YUP!

Date: Tue May 11 7:12 PM, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by: 1st amendment lesson
"Amendment I - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. The first amendment does not give a church the right to destroy land,

All churches that have built even one shack have destroyed some land.

create traffic,

All churches with members with cars create traffic.

make tax payers foot the bill for the development,

No churches pay taxes.

treat the community with disrespect nor to create safety hazards.

Won't happen in this case. You have proof it will? Let's see it.

Before you kick around the 1st amendment- - it is best you understand what it means. In fact one may argue rather simply that the wording does simply say no law respecting an establishment of religion - thus it would include RLUIPA???

RLUIPA establishes nothing of the sort. It simply recognizes that some religion haters will need to be restrained once they gain positions of power. It's been quite successful for several years now. It will continue to stand firm.

Hmmm ya think thats how Marci got it kicked out the 1st time? YUP!

Different law altogether. Obviously, since her first goal this time around is "compromise" doesn't look like she's expecting the hail mary pass you're praying for.

"

Date: Tue May 11 7:59 PM, 2004

Keep it up spin-boy...we smell the foul air you expell every time you post your spin. Go back to your leaders and tell them about the toxic cesspool you have wasted so much money on...a plauge on you and your ilk.

Date: Tue May 11 8:24 PM, 2004

Agilent is a "Complex Hydrocarbon Colony." Enjoy the Methylethylpolybutelenestyrenes, not to mention all the wonderful Heavy Metals burried there, our good cc buddies. I hear that you can get a good buzz from them by just walking through the correct area. Nice

Date: Wed May 12 8:11 AM, 2004

just for the record - to further define my church vs MEGA...

stores is a general term...however the entities are classified accordingly...(ie - supercenter) the likes of walmart are classified as mass market chains (supercenters)..."mom and pop" places are free standing entities...then malls fall into a dept. store/retail entity...

as you can see there are different types of STORES...

Date: Wed May 12 9:52 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Maria
"just for the record - to further define my church vs MEGA... stores is a general term...however the entities are classified accordingly...(ie - supercenter) the likes of walmart are classified as mass market chains (supercenters)..."mom and pop" places are free standing entities...then malls fall into a dept. store/retail entity... as you can see there are different types of STORES..."

But they are all "stores". And when rules pertain to "stores" they pertain to all "stores" unless written differently. To change the rules for a certain kind of "store" you rewrite the rule so in the future that type of "store" is treated differently.

Date: Wed May 12 9:59 AM, 2004

A place where you purchase Gasoline is a Store. So is a ****ing Ice Cream Parlor, idiot. They are treated differently for good reasons. On one thing I will agree. Irelands Megachurch is really a Megastore.

Date: Wed May 12 10:45 AM, 2004

"So is a ****ing Ice Cream Parlor, idiot"

Date: Wed May 12 10:52 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Correct
"But they are all "stores". And when rules pertain to "stores" they pertain to all "stores" unless written differently. To change the rules for a certain kind of "store" you rewrite the rule so in the future that type of "store" is treated differently."

manufacturing vs light manufacturing
Research vs Manufacturing
Industrial vs Heavy Industrial
Retail vs Strip mall

All are businesses, because they operate and do things that are differently, and handled in codes differently
so Why not
Church vs Mega-Church??

Rewite with a granfather clause...perhaps that will happen, however it may not need to be.

Examining how the ordinance's INTENTIONS were written...such as a law's or contract's intentions are taken into account during court proceedings.

Date: Wed May 12 10:52 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Craig Maier
"A place where you purchase Gasoline is a Store. So is a ****ing Ice Cream Parlor, idiot. They are treated differently for good reasons. On one thing I will agree. Irelands Megachurch is really a Megastore. "

They are treated differently if they are uniquely identified in the zoning regulations. If they are not uniquely identified, then they are treated the same.

Is "megachurch" or "really big church" or "Church with over 2000 members" or "Church with beliefs that Craig Maier hates" specifically identified in the regulations of RT?

nope.

So sorry, but

It's

a

church

.

Date: Wed May 12 11:02 AM, 2004

I guess it is as much a Church as "Maier Ministries" - - - lol! Maier Ministries is just a tad smaller right now. It only has two members - - - its president and treasurer. It is still a church. It certainly not a Megachurch. Hey, this issue is going to be decided in the courts, not here on this bulletin board. Let us stop boring each other with this riduculous line of discussion.

Date: Wed May 12 11:08 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: hey genius
"

They are treated differently if they are uniquely identified in the zoning regulations. If they are not uniquely identified, then they are treated the same.
."

Howver...if something is not specifically listed as allowed in an zoning ordinance, then it is NOT allowed.

Date: Wed May 12 11:20 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Craig Maier
"I guess it is as much a Church as "Maier Ministries" - - - lol! Maier Ministries is just a tad smaller right now. It only has two members - - - its president and treasurer. It is still a church. It certainly not a Megachurch. Hey, this issue is going to be decided in the courts, not here on this bulletin board. Let us stop boring each other with this riduculous line of discussion."

Actually, there is nothing to be decided (here is where Craig would insert "idiot"). The pb likes to waste time trying to wrap their minds around simple issues, but the legal fact is that until different size churches are defined in the ordinance differently, they are all treated the same. Ex post facto lawmaking is clearly illegal.

A little educational sidenote: "grandfathered in" means that the old is not subject to the new rules, not the other way around. (here is where our mature friend Craig would insert "moron").

Date: Wed May 12 12:01 PM, 2004

That is great news. Then "Microchurches" are also allowed. I wonder how the town will deal with 4,500 of 'em? BTW - "Maier Ministries" will have a membership of about 10 within the month. All of those family members and business partners that I sue all the time are joining. We will post our Mission Statement in about a week. Anyone wanna try to take us to task on the legitimacy of "Maier Ministries" as a true religion? ROTFL!!! What a ****ing joke this whole thing has become.

Date: Wed May 12 12:13 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Craig Maier
"That is great news. Then "Microchurches" are also allowed. I wonder how the town will deal with 4,500 of 'em? BTW - "Maier Ministries" will have a membership of about 10 within the month. All of those family members and business partners that I sue all the time are joining. We will post our Mission Statement in about a week. Anyone wanna try to take us to task on the legitimacy of "Maier Ministries" as a true religion? ROTFL!!! What a ****ing joke this whole thing has become."

You keep saying this, Genius. Why don't you shut up and do it?

And as soon as you file for 501 c3 status, make sure you keep your door unlocked, there will be some people stopping by to take a look at your financial records & tax returns!

Date: Wed May 12 1:17 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Correct
"
Actually, there is nothing to be decided (here is where Craig would insert "idiot"). The pb likes to waste time trying to wrap their minds around simple issues, but the legal fact is that until different size churches are defined in the ordinance differently, they are all treated the same. Ex post facto lawmaking is clearly illegal.
A little educational sidenote: "grandfathered in" means that the old is not subject to the new rules, not the other way around. (here is where our mature friend Craig would insert "moron")."

WellI guess you are talking to me.....

I fully inderstand the term "grandfathered"...it may be hard to believe, but there are people who talk reasonably on this board.
And, please "Ex Post Facto Lawmaking"... anyone with a 6th grade education understands that also.

What you misunderstood was that there may be a rewrite of the laws...and of course "grandfather" would be in effect...but CC wouldn't be there anyway if the ordinance was meant to allow "Church " in the true meaning of the word, and not profit generating Religious based entertainment,marketing, rehabilitation, vocational school, food service and manufacturing, like I believe Ireland has concieved.

Everday, the supreme court exameins the constitution and debates the thought process and direction a law was made to follow.. exactly what was discussed at the Planning Board meeting.

You call it foot dragging (I assume because you, personally, want this here for some reason ASAP)...I call it due process. In any event, anything that goes into a forum like Planning Boards and Boar of Adjustments or the supreme court takes time...It costs nothing to Rockaway Township to take this as far as they wish...RLUIPA may be fought on this...could go on for years...Someone once said: "you can't fight city hall"...enjoy the ride my friend...bring a lunch...it'll be a long one.

In that time...I'll still be able to get up green pond on a sunday without a few more traffic lights, 3000-10,000 cars, and my town playing host to numerous festivals etc. and so on and so on.

Date: Wed May 12 2:00 PM, 2004

"Boar of Adjustments "

LOL!

Sounds like you got some angry pigs in high places!

Date: Wed May 12 2:17 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Boar!
""Boar of Adjustments "
LOL!
Sounds like you got some angry pigs in high places!"

oops sorry...should have been Bored of Adjustments...ooops there I go again.
Typing is not a happy thing for me.

Date: Wed May 12 2:24 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Craig Maier
"That is great news. Then "Microchurches" are also allowed. I wonder how the town will deal with 4,500 of 'em? BTW - "Maier Ministries" will have a membership of about 10 within the month. All of those family members and business partners that I sue all the time are joining. We will post our Mission Statement in about a week. Anyone wanna try to take us to task on the legitimacy of "Maier Ministries" as a true religion? ROTFL!!! What a ****ing joke this whole thing has become."

I, personally, couldn't care less if you try to create your bogus microchurch. But I am quite sure the IRS will be fascinated by your teachings. So while I am not a member of the "Anyone" who will challenge your religion, your Uncle Sam will be. But of course you know that, since you are not an idiot right?

Date: Wed May 12 2:29 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Correct
"I, personally, couldn't care less if you try to create your bogus microchurch. But I am quite sure the IRS will be fascinated by your teachings. So while I am not a member of the "Anyone" who will challenge your religion, your Uncle Sam will be. But of course you know that, since you are not an idiot right?"

I know for a fact that these tax scammer folks can fly under the IRS radar for many years if they don't get noticed. That is, unless someone tips off the G-Men.