I just wanted to take a moment to review the purpose of VORT. We oppose an application to develop an environmentally sensitive part of Rockaway Twp., specifically 140 Green Pond Rd.

Is it the purpose of VORT to ridicule David Ireland for selling books & tapes?

Is it the purpose of VORT to portray David Ireland as a liar by the 9/11 -Senior Center comments?



A review of the master plan of the township denotes this portion of town as environmentally sensitive, thereby it is not simply our opinion that it is environmentally sensitive, it is documented fact. This area is predominately “wet lands” and is documented as such in many official documents in the State of NJ.

This fact didn’t stop the town from allowing the area to be heavily developed by HP.  Do church members cause more environmental damage than office workers?

In addition to our concerns over the environment we are extremely concerned over the traffic impact this project could have on the road ways. The roads in question include – Green Pond Rd., Rt. 80, Morris Ave, Meridian Rd., Old Beach Glenn, Farber Hill, Sanders Rd. and all other road ways within this portion of town. Traffic flow, congestion and safety are the primary concerns we have.

Are you just as concerned about the rapid development occurring all over Green Pond Rd. and the inherent traffic impact?  If so, what efforts have you made to make these concerns known?



Water is a significant and urgent problem associated with this application for redevelopment. The land is surrounded by very important water ways that move water from one reservoir to another reservoir. These reservoirs provide drinking water to Jersey City, Newark and Kearney. The land also sits on the well fields that provide Rockaway Twp with its drinking water. The addition of 1000 parking spaces will have significant negative impact on the water quality in the rivers and well fields. There are massive environmental concerns with this application. There are MANY issues that the State of NJ is attempting to deal with new legislation that will protect the land, air, and water as well as help to limit urban sprawl.

Do you consider a church building to be “urban sprawl”?  Why is it “urban”?

These matters make it very clear that these are STATE WIDE problems that require swift attention in order to protect the land, air and water from further harm.

If CC complies with the NJ environmental regulations, will you still oppose them on environmental grounds?

First aid and safety are of major concern for several reasons. First, the only way to get from the north of town to our local hospital is via Green Pond Rd., a one lane road with no shoulder in many areas. Fire and first aid units will have a difficult time getting in and out of the north end of town with thousands of vehicles on the roads at peek times, which include Sundays but also includes “special events” which can happen at any day or time.

“Fire and first aid units will have a difficult time getting in and out of the north end” Has any proof been offered that this is a true statement?

Further, the only place we have to land a helicopter in the north section of town is on the 140 Green Pond Rd. Property. A week ago Sunday a man was injured at 7:30am Sunday morning and was flown out from that location. According to the plans submitted by Christ Church the area where the helicopter landed is marked as a “staging area” for construction equipment for the first 2 years that they will occupy the space. Thus it is unclear if there will be a space available to land a helicopter - during testimony by Mr. Ireland this was discussed, yet no changes to the plan were submitted to date.

Did Agilent have a standing legal obligation to keep that space forever open for helicopter traffic?  If they had wanted to develop that space and eliminate it as a helicopter landing site, could they have?

To continue in the area of infrastructure the need for additional police officers during peek traffic times will be significant, calling for the tax payers to contribute to the cost of such services by means of compensations to the officers and lack of staffing to other functions in town.

Won’t CC be obligated to cover the costs of any needed traffic control? 

Lastly, the taxes are a significant issue. The loss of $631,000.00 is devastating. Coupled with the fact that the town will be required to provide services year in and year out while our expense’s increase so will our taxes, yet still no $631,000 + inflation.

Is there ANY legal reason to continue to discuss taxes other than to inflame township residents?  Will taxes be considered by the planning board?  Will taxes be considered by any judicial body that renders a verdict in this case? 

Has VORT gone to any lengths to educate RT residents on what the tax impact of a school at the Agilent site would be?

At this point in the process we are attempting to ensure that this application is being heard by the proper board. Failure to have the application heard in the proper form does not help either side in this process. The “LAND USE” definition of “Church” is what is being questioned and testimony has been heard, more is to come. This application is in its infancy and suggestions that the town is attempting to “stall” are naive at best and simply meant to incite at worse.

Was it imperative for the PB attorney to question whether the applicant is really a church?  How many other applicants before the planning board have been sidetracked for months because they’ve been required to prove that they are what they very obviously are?



This is the focus of VORT; suggestions of anything other are simply not true.

Why do you have to keep repeating how people should see your organization?  Won’t you be judged on the actions and statements of your members no matter what you claim your focus really is?

Thanks Freedom!

FYI "TRUTH" (should change your name to SPIN SPIN SPIN)

You are so far from the facts it is not remotely funny.  The project is too large and why must YOU keep harping on non-issues. 

Can you offer 1...just 1 service that CC can bring Rockaway Twp that it does not already have?  JUST ONE!

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Originally posted by: The Real Truth
"The property located at 140 Green Pond Road has some serious pollution problems. It may prove impossible for ANYONE to build there, as there will of course be in-depth environmental studies to come in the following years. Church or School, laws must be followed. This thing is going to drag out for years to come folks. Agilent will be responsible for cleanup - how much money will be required for remediation????"

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Is that the "real truth" ? Then it should be easy to post a link or two that will confirm the validity of what you say.

No link - no issue.

simple.

It seems that Matthew has a new name on this thread.

Same style.

Ask questions.  Attempt to bait.  Try to get someone to answer.

Enjoy playing with him...I'm out...I prefer letting the master baiter (and he's certainly good at baiting, as Craig will attest to) play with himself.

JR

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Originally posted by: Jay R
"It seems that Matthew has a new name on this thread. Same style. Ask questions.  Attempt to bait.  Try to get someone to answer. Enjoy playing with him...I'm out...I prefer letting the master baiter (and he's certainly good at baiting, as Craig will attest to) play with himself.   JR"

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Originally posted by: Jay R
" Truth, I do not appreciate being called Jayboy.  Being Jewish, I take that as a DIRECT SLUR and attack on my religion.  I am sure it was meant that way.  Is this what you cretins have become?  Nothing more than Jew attackers???  Looking to bait and get responses, so you can attack Rockaway some more in the press. I feel sorry for Rev Ireland if his church is filled with ****s like you."

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Hey Jay, relax, it wasn't intended as a racial slur.  Now that you mention it, I see how it could be misinterpreted that way, though.

I'll not use it again.

How about if I just call you "boy"?

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Originally posted by: How about
"Hey Truthless - how 'bout we all call you a$$hole.  You've certainly shown yourself to be one."

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Originally posted by: Real Truth
"Try attending a RT BOE meeting now and again spin-boy...even tED can grasp the concept of that. Until you gather your facts I find myself at an advantage."

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Real Truth,

Who are you calling "boy"?  If you saw the color of my skin, I don't think you would use that term so loosely.  That term has racial implications and as such should be banned from this board.  From now on, anyone who uses it will be immediately labeling themselves as a racist.

"What does your question have to do with the CC application?"

b/c cc and all its supporters are spewing all the benefits cc will bring our town...we're basically saying we DON'T NEED anything they are offering...b/c we already have it all available currently...tell them to stop discussing the "benefits" and so will we...

if ireland were truly a humanitarian...he'd be going somewhere that WAS in NEED...but this just shows once again...how he looks out for himself...(a second example is how he thinks nothing of leaving behind a good portion of his congregation to move and leaving the others the choice to leave the church or make a long commute...WOW...he's so thoughtful!!!)

i understand that is not a planning board consideration...

but again...cc and its supporters, however, are constantly talking about all the good they will do for RT and what they have to offer...since it IS irrelevant...they SHOULD STOP bringing it up...as it will not help RT keep them out (that we don't need their "benefits") and it should not/will not help ireland plant his kingdom in the middle of our hometown!!!

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Originally posted by: Posit
"   Craig, Serious question:  What is the maximum number of members allowed by your synagogue?  Not how many are allowed on the property at one time, but how large is the membership allowed to be?"

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Would Craig answer something like this?:

"There is no limit at my synagogue.  But when it comes to people with religious views that I can't tolerate, there better be a limit, because those people scare me and if they are allowed anywhere near me, then it better be in small groups no bigger than 5 at a time.  And if they are allowed in my town, then they should be made to wear bright orange hats so law enforcement can easily recognize them and disolve any large groups that begin to form so they won't get out of hand!"