That's simple (to me anyway).

GPBC is one of our 14 local churches.

It serves our community, with contributions appropriate to this community.

Our friends and neighbors attend that church.

If they got a new pastor and the word spread, the influx would be gradual.

It's a no-brainer in my opinion.

Hey Matt,

Just like you - we do not want to deal with hypothetical questions.

Karen and everyone else - don't get sucked in to a hypothetical...

We're being baited again.

 

Whoops! You're right. I'm done.

The scenario posted listed no structural changes to GPBC.  Their current sanctuary could probably be set up to seat about 700 people.  And they likely have function rooms that could accomadate a few hundred more with the sermon beamed in on a video screen.  Their current parking lot could likely accomadate the cars for each service.

This is not a religious question.

It regards traffic & impact of a church.  What could be more germane?

Karen has provided and honest answer, yet you others here appear to be afraid of this question.

Don't you feel that it is worthy of debate?

Change the name on your link to this site and maybe we'll discuss it.

 

Uh-oh - this one's really got us!

If we say (as Karen did) "This is a no brainer, sure we'd welcome thousands of Christians traveling up GP Rd. to a church which is already here.  That church is made up of people who already live here, our family, our friends.  We'd be happy to have them"

Then the "Thinker" might say:

 

OK, tell me the significant difference between that scenario and CC.

 

And your response?

GPBC is one of our 14 local churches.

CC will also be one of your 'local churches' when they move in. 

 

It serves our community, with contributions appropriate to this community.

All churches contribute to the community, even CC.

 

Our friends and neighbors attend that church.

They'll attend CC as well.

If they got a new pastor and the word spread, the influx would be gradual.

It might be, it might not.  But the point is that the numbers COULD reach CC numbers, and it COULD happen very quickly.

 

It's a no-brainer in my opinion.

Agreed.

No law could stop the scenario described.

The charge has been made that this is a "VORT Forum".

That is, it is controlled by those who walk in lock step with VORT.

Is the inabilty of those here to answer this very simple, yet relevant question just more evidence that this is, after all, a VORT forum?

 

I think that cc needs to hire a new shill.  Matthew, under any pseudonym, is obviously the same guy and we see it.  Ireland, time to fire Matthew and hire someone with a new and different inflamatory tone that might take us a week or so to figure out.  Maybe even try a new angle?

quote:

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Originally posted by: Karen
"Hey "More Evidence", if this wasn't an AGONIZINGLY free speech forum, your annoying asses would've been banned long ago."

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I wonder where the "Rockaway Truth" online forum might be hiding?  I wonder if they'd let those opposed to Christ Church's application to purchase 140 Green Pond Road post messages?

Well Matthew - when do we get to post on YOUR message board?

wow...they have a really hoppin' board...

 

Bystander, I recall several very diplomatic posts of yours--it's my opinion that you and craig rubbed each other the wrong way or whatever (I think one other person felt the same).

I also don't think it really matters in all honesty what people who come on this board think about us.

Even if the members of the PLANNING board came on here and thought we were a bunch of jerkoffs, what would that change? Nothing that I can think of.

The law has to be followed.

I see this board as a place to vent, commiserate, and share ideas--

Bystander...you said if people disagree with the opposers of the move they are treated like dirt....

For the most part, what I have seen from the supporters of the move are people making false staements about Lisa and Kim's families and why they started VORT...or people who are angry at the world because they weren't chosen to become mayor....or people who act like paid shills or trolls working for Ireland spouting propehcy...throwing gas on a dry pile of twigs folowed by a lit match -I'm talking about tyring to divide a town using religion....or dumping accusations of racism.

Do you expect anyone to just sit back, stay silent or whimper at this???

Also mixed into the above is the next disqualifier of supporters.....If you seek to or will benefit from the move, or are not a taxpayer in town, do you really have a right to support the move for any other reason except that you have some legal or constitutional right to do so?? If so...Fine....but the debate and class of the response from an opposer on this board will be different than if you actually were a resident with nothing to gain financially.

While I have met (believe it or not) some local residents unware of this...and 1 or 2 that don't care...I have not met anyone informed, that wants it( remember the qualifier-resident that will gain gain FINACIALLY)....the VAST majority of residents I talk with completely oppose the move.

(( Do you expect anyone to just sit back, stay silent or whimper at this??? ))

Of course not... all I take exception to is the method, style, tone of which some are taking in not sitting back, staying silent etc... I've always been a big fan of manners and diplomacy - on and offline, that's all.

(( the rest of your message )) ....

Is a breath of fresh air and extremely pleasant and enjoyable to read. Well said, too. (even if you were in a rush) ... It would be SO much nicer if a lot more messages here were the same (from both sides of the cc-table)...

I guess my bottom line is that I personally find it extremely frustrating to read some of the stuff here that's so emotionally opinionated and accusatory and, to me, often, unprovable. (I know - who cares) I've also always never liked being told what I think about something (etc) without checking with me first to see if it's true or not. My little peccadillo (shrug), what can I say. That happens a lot here, I have noticed. ... I've stated clearly that I am not a cc-supporter ... yet have been told I am and treated (as dirt) here as if I am. Makes me wonder what else, if anything, is also POSSIBLY not true about some of the stuff I read around here. Just never know. That's why accountability and perception, to me, is so important when it comes to venues like these.

And manners, too.

Have a nice evening,


-B.

Bystander,

Welcome to the real world.  We in this town are biased in our perspective regarding this application and are very emotional about this issue.  We do not want em destroying this place.  Now, please go away since you do not have a horse in this race.  Go find a debating society to deal with.  We are, by human nature, emotional beings and most of us want to vent here regarding our frustrations.  Please take your ball and go home.