The only person I remember mentioning Billy Graham is the Rev himself, at one of the early planning board meetings. He compares his concepts to those of Billy Graham.

In fact, it's also in the brochure that was sent to citizens of this township:

"...The Church's beliefs are identical to those of Rev. Villy Graham, the internationally known minister. In fact, Rev. David Ireland, Ph.D., Christ Church's senior pastor, recently served on a 30-member ministerial committee organized by the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. The group was convened to investigate the possibility of inviting Dr. Graham to New York City in 2004 for a crusade."

I don't recall hearing it but if it was said that way, I don't see what's wrong with that.

After all, DO we need an evangelical Christian church like Billy Graham's here in Rockaway? We have 14 churches in this area that serve us well.

http://www.billygraham.org/default.asp

On quick review of their website, it appears that there isn't even a church involved--he holds crusades and other public affairs. Maybe I missed it, but I don't see anything about how I can go to one of his services.

I see movies, books, radio and television ministries, magazines...

Ted,

What I remember John talking about was the Traffic Report. It was a very dry, kinda boring (sorry, John) review of stats and figures. Then Adam talkes about traffic at a MEga Church. Plus, knowing John, I have NEVER heard him use the term Evangelical, nor do I envision him referring to Christians faiths in sub-categories like that.

I hope someone has a recording because I don't believe it at all. I don't doubt that someone said it a open mike.

I did not notice Rob Jennings coverage of the meeting in the DR this morning.  Did I miss something? 

I really don't care what was said about the religion or type of activity that was discussed.

If indeed any of the presenters said something politcally incorrect it would change the fact that they brought a potentially hazardous change that was underway.

Most people in town were unaware of the possible implications that a campus of like this would present, and I applaude them for bringing it to light.

Without their organization efforts I wonder how far along construction would be.

If you pick apart and examine anyone under a magnifying glass, as the 2 founding families of VORT have been...I am sure a sharp person could spin something negative.

I am disturbed at how much focus is placed on religion here and in the rest of the media. I am disturbed by the rediculous statements and mudslinging by Christ Church's move supporters.

I beleive they tried to stick facts and figures, and stressed this is not based on race or religion.

I believe they are acting the best interests of the vast majority of residents here. These two families didn't just show up and decide to start something in Rockaway....they are long term residents homewoners in the town.

What ever is said about them, the point here is that it is not a quetion of our support for THEM (although I'm grateful for what they have done)....

...it would not change the issue here------which is the proposed mega-church campus on Green Pond Road, and it's:

Scope
Size
Burden
Impact

Thanks,  I did not find it on the internet.  So, I guess that I will have to go buy it, unfortunately.

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Originally posted by: Karen
"I don't see that on the online version either--wonder what that means? It's on A16 in the paper version though--"

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Yeah - right next to the obits...Compared to the last article on the front page of the local section AND online...

 

Thanks again, Daily Ragord.

can we have a link to the article?

2 points for Jennings he finally got one thing 100% right...

"The proposal had generated enormous local opposition"

How can a reasonable person continue with this campain against an entire town. Hey- CC good luck finding a home that fits your needs...better get a new realtor soon.  Try Parsippany or Mt. Olive

Oh speaking of homes... I forgot you already had some of your people VISIT local realitors...and ask questions like "would we have a problem purchasing a home in Rockaway Twp" -- Just because the real estate office is in Mountian Lakes do not think that is where the realitor lives...or that they will not talk about your games.

The project is just too big.  Sorry - and good luck with the property search!

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Originally posted by: Lisa Salberg
"I expressed concern over the amount of media coverage and the slant some of the media has taken. 

I am curious as to why you were complaining to the town council? Are you hoping they will censor the Daily Record?

We stated that it appeared that the PR firm for the applicant appears to be attempting to paint Rockaway Twp as "anti-church" and "anti-Christian"both of which are non exsisting sentiments,

What is your proof that CC has a PR firm doing anything of the sort? The bigoted and intolerant comments by anti-churchers are more than enough proof that there is an anti-Christian bias in RT. No PR firm is needed here.

"RLUIPA is an issue that is part of the matter at hand and must be part of the discussion. Religion is not the issue and does not belong anywhere in the conversation".

It stands to reason that if RLUIPA applies to this situation, then religion is an important facet of the debate.

I further said " Recently, activity on internet messages boards has accused VORT of everything from “being against the school”, (what school we are not sure), to being “anti-Christian”, which is particularly funny as the majority of the members of VORT are Christian.  We have also been accused of a laundry list of acts, none of which have been remotely truthful."

Again, this sounds like whiny complaining. If the assertions about you are not true, what does it matter? When you entered this debate, did you expect everyone to line up, lockstep, behind you and wave their pom poms every time you drop a utter a comment?

To date no member of Christ Church or their PR firm has issued an apology for the lies and hatred being spread by its ‘supporters’.  "

Again, where is your proof? Have you ever asked anyone at CC about this? Have you ever done any research about it? If you have, I'd love to see names and quotes. Sounds like you're trying to cover up the fact that you will not disavow Craig Meier's bigoted comments as being separate from the catechism of VORT.

 "We oppose an application for the development of environmentally sensitive land, on a rural road, in a small town with limited resources and extreme financial hardship to the community. 

Your arguments become more shrill all the time. Is that site the only environmentally sensitive site on Green Pond Road? I see lots of development on that road, what's the story there?

Suggestions of anything other are meant to confuse and incite rather than inform and educate.  We stand firm in our opposition and will not be intimidated by lies and attempts to hush our voices"

How have you been hushed? Sounds like you can't stand the heat of debate and want someone bigger than you to take on the ones you oppose.

As far as your recollection of your conversation with the reporter; I am quite sure she would not post the same transcript of your conversation. You have already proven yourself quite capable of character assassination as you did with Pastor Ireland at the VORT pep rally in November.

 but by no means are these "my people". 

They are "your people" inasmuch as they agree with your viewpoint.

She then said she is a "Christian reporter".  I said what does being Christian have to do with being a reporter? - No response.

Is this exactly the progression of the conversation? Again, I assert that you are recounting only those comments that support the image you want to portray.

"I dont have to look impartial!".

She is right, she doesn't have to look impartial.

Funny I always thought part of being a journalist was to be an impartial witness and REPORT events. 

Gosh, Lisa, in what area are you NOT an expert? You know how pastors should run their churches and how journalists should do their jobs! Every journalist has a bias, it comes from being human. Impartial witnesses are juries and court stenographers. She is reporting the events as she sees them.

It is very clear that will not come from the Citizen while this reporter is on the job.  This is a very sad turn of events. Sincerely, Lisa Salberg"

What is sad is your attempt to discredit someone through your slanted point of view. You can disagree with her opinion but to attack her personally is beyond the pale.

I don't think this is too sad. I am eternally grateful that you are not a journalist.

Signed,

Journalist

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Originally posted by: Lisa Salberg
"I expressed concern over the amount of media coverage and the slant some of the media has taken. 

I am curious as to why you were complaining to the town council? Are you hoping they will censor the Daily Record?

We stated that it appeared that the PR firm for the applicant appears to be attempting to paint Rockaway Twp as "anti-church" and "anti-Christian"both of which are non exsisting sentiments,

What is your proof that CC has a PR firm doing anything of the sort? The bigoted and intolerant comments by anti-churchers are more than enough proof that there is an anti-Christian bias in RT. No PR firm is needed here.

"RLUIPA is an issue that is part of the matter at hand and must be part of the discussion. Religion is not the issue and does not belong anywhere in the conversation".

It stands to reason that if RLUIPA applies to this situation, then religion is an important facet of the debate.

I further said " Recently, activity on internet messages boards has accused VORT of everything from “being against the school”, (what school we are not sure), to being “anti-Christian”, which is particularly funny as the majority of the members of VORT are Christian.  We have also been accused of a laundry list of acts, none of which have been remotely truthful."

Again, this sounds like whiny complaining. If the assertions about you are not true, what does it matter? When you entered this debate, did you expect everyone to line up, lockstep, behind you and wave their pom poms every time you drop a utter a comment?

To date no member of Christ Church or their PR firm has issued an apology for the lies and hatred being spread by its ‘supporters’.  "

Again, where is your proof? Have you ever asked anyone at CC about this? Have you ever done any research about it? If you have, I'd love to see names and quotes. Sounds like you're trying to cover up the fact that you will not disavow Craig Meier's bigoted comments as being separate from the catechism of VORT.

 "We oppose an application for the development of environmentally sensitive land, on a rural road, in a small town with limited resources and extreme financial hardship to the community. 

Your arguments become more shrill all the time. Is that site the only environmentally sensitive site on Green Pond Road? I see lots of development on that road, what's the story there?

Suggestions of anything other are meant to confuse and incite rather than inform and educate.  We stand firm in our opposition and will not be intimidated by lies and attempts to hush our voices"

How have you been hushed? Sounds like you can't stand the heat of debate and want someone bigger than you to take on the ones you oppose.

As far as your recollection of your conversation with the reporter; I am quite sure she would not post the same transcript of your conversation. You have already proven yourself quite capable of character assassination as you did with Pastor Ireland at the VORT pep rally in November.

 but by no means are these "my people". 

They are "your people" inasmuch as they agree with your viewpoint.

She then said she is a "Christian reporter".  I said what does being Christian have to do with being a reporter? - No response.

Is this exactly the progression of the conversation? Again, I assert that you are recounting only those comments that support the image you want to portray.

"I dont have to look impartial!".

She is right, she doesn't have to look impartial.

Funny I always thought part of being a journalist was to be an impartial witness and REPORT events. 

Gosh, Lisa, in what area are you NOT an expert? You know how pastors should run their churches and how journalists should do their jobs! Every journalist has a bias, it comes from being human. Impartial witnesses are juries and court stenographers. She is reporting the events as she sees them.

It is very clear that will not come from the Citizen while this reporter is on the job.  This is a very sad turn of events. Sincerely, Lisa Salberg"

What is sad is your attempt to discredit someone through your slanted point of view. You can disagree with her opinion but to attack her personally is beyond the pale.

I don't think this is too sad. I am eternally grateful that you are not a journalist.

Signed,

Journalist

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OMG! Can you imagine Woodward or Burnstein whining like a baby like this hack of a low level "reporter" is? I can hear it now, "Oh yeah Nixon, if it's not try, why worry" hahah! You hack! From Lisa's and three other's descriptions of last night's "meeting", you got your A$$ handed to you on a silver platter. So like the person above wrote. It's over, and we all know it. Maybe you can get a job writing for the Morris Knolls Eagle. HAHAHAHAH!

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Originally posted by: wiggy
"Hi, Claudette"

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Sorry dude, that wasn't Claudette.

But then again, you guys haven't correctly identified any anonymous anti-vort poster yet, so go ahead and think it's Claudette.  No reason to spoil your record.

 

Matthew

"But then again, you guys haven't correctly identified any anonymous anti-vort poster yet, so go ahead and think it's Claudette.  No reason to spoil your record."

Oh....Matthew...do I sense the frustration growing....isn't it you that used to say
"relax...all I want is a park there...let the planning board do their job and follow the law...now the store is getting busy, so I'll have to go"