Still waiting for an answer Matthew - The "All Opinions are Welcome, but Sorry no Instigators" Board

Date: Mon Apr 26 8:29 PM, 2004

Still waiting for an answer Matthew

Date: Tue Apr 27 12:21 AM, 2004

Jay,

Your answer:

John 14:6

Matthew

Date: Tue Apr 27 12:22 AM, 2004

Jay,

Your answer:

John 14:6

Matthew

Date: Tue Apr 27 5:52 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Matthew
"6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. "

Thank you bigot Matthew, or should I call you Archie Bunker? We now know where you stand. You feel that you are better than the rest of the world and that the rest of the world is inferior to you and thus will rot in hell.

So Matthew - where's your proof? Words?? In a book written by men? Have you seen someone get to heaven because of those words? Have you seen someone denied heaven because of words written by men?

Date: Tue Apr 27 6:24 AM, 2004

Matthew - you know, looking back at your answer, I am very bothered that I asked you a simple yes or no answer and got a bible quote instead. Let's try it again.

Please look up the words 'heathen' and 'infidel' in your dictionary.

Do you consider all Jews to be heathens and infidels (note - for the purpose of this discussion, "Jews for Jesus" are NOT considered Jews)?

I'd like to know more about your gatekeeping of heaven thoughts. There are over 1 billion people in China. They represent approximately 20% of the world population. Most are good people and lead simple, peasant lives. Most will never hear of Jesus in their lives. Yes or no - will they all rot in hell when they die? Yes or now, are they heathens? Yes or no, are they infidels?

Now for a hypothetical question for you Matthew. If you could save one soul - bring Jesus to one of us 'heathens', but in doing so, cause the death of 5 heathens (whom, I assume are destined for hell anyway)...Is it worth it? Remember - yes or no. Is it worth it to bring save one soul and give it eternal salvation if it costs the lives of 5 who will never accept Jesus and are destined to rot in hell anyway?

Date: Tue Apr 27 9:04 AM, 2004

Jay,

It is this kinda crap that one gets from Evangelical Fundamentalist Christians that makes me distain the lot of them. They all have a biggoted attitude that only they have a place in heaven. As a result, I hold a very biggotted attitude about them too. I do not want 25,000 of em congregating on the street where we live.

Date: Tue Apr 27 9:06 AM, 2004

ps,

They always use what I call "circular logic" to defend their point. What I mean is that they use the NT to defend their own scriptural beliefs. That is like me saying the following:

1. I am Godzilla

2. For proof, see 1.

3. Done

Date: Tue Apr 27 9:16 AM, 2004

Jay,

In this case, hypotheticals are a wasted effort.

Consider a man who has terminal cancer. He is offered a cure. The man will not bother with "what-ifs" regarding the cure. He will examine the cure. If he sees that it has worked on others, he will accept the cure and be saved from death.

Jesus offers Himself as the Cure over death.

The Bible is clear about this.

There is no need to divert the issue to hypothetical situations involving others.

This Cure is not limited to those in certain groups, those raised certain ways, or those following certain rituals.

This Cure is free for the taking.

Examine The Cure.

Matthew

Date: Tue Apr 27 9:19 AM, 2004

craig...

1) i am cat woman

2) for proof see number 1

3) done

i like it...it's a dream come true...

if things were only this easy in the real world...but alas, circular references are flawed...and the fundamentalists must find an argument that works!!!

Date: Tue Apr 27 9:20 AM, 2004

Take your cures for a hypothetical non-disease and shove them where the sun don't shine.

Date: Tue Apr 27 9:23 AM, 2004

Maria,

You are right. They are ALL intellectually dishonest with vain attempts to defend themselves. If they were smart they would use the following argument:

"Faith ultimately must be taken on faith and faith alone!"

That is the only universal truth. But these people are much to stupid to realize that.

Date: Tue Apr 27 9:25 AM, 2004

Guys - good old Matty is just baiting you along...he will never concede to logic (sound like someone else we all kNOW?)

He is like a wildfire - feed the troll fuel and he will never go out.

Date: Tue Apr 27 9:28 AM, 2004

Matthew,

OK - you do not want to answer hypothetical questions. Let's stick with the others - the ones that you have ignored:

Please look up the words 'heathen' and 'infidel' in your dictionary. I have provided you with links to make it easier.

These questions are all YES or NO questions. Feel free to discuss your reasons or quote from the bible AFTER answering, but please answer YES or NO. Remember - if you convince me you are right, in your belief, you may save my soul...I assume that this is a worthy cause, so I would hope you would answer.

Do you consider all Jews to be heathens and infidels (note - for the purpose of this discussion, "Jews for Jesus" are NOT considered Jews)?

I'd like to know more about your gatekeeping of heaven thoughts. There are over 1 billion people in China. They represent approximately 20% of the world population. Most are good people and lead simple, peasant lives. Most will never hear of Jesus or even of Christianity in their lives. Yes or no - will they all rot in hell when they die? Yes or now, are they heathens? Yes or no, are they infidels?

New question for you - let's go back to the old testament - before the time of Jesus. This one is NOT a yes or no question. How did on get to heaven BEFORE Jesus was born?

Back to yes or no. Do you believe that G-d gave Moses the laws that mankind should live by while Moses was on Mount Sanai?

If your answer to the above question about Moses was yes, then I would like to know - Did G-d change the laws after Jesus died (yes or no)?

I look forward to your response. I'm enjoying our thelogy discussion and learning about a religion OTHER than my own. It's a good break from the Christ Church is too big for Rockaway Township (it is) discussion.

JR

Date: Tue Apr 27 9:32 AM, 2004

Jay,

I don't decide who gets into Heaven. As I mentioned, the Bible clearly explains the answers to your questions.

And you stated in one case "you may save my soul".

I don't save souls.

Matthew

Date: Tue Apr 27 9:38 AM, 2004

Matthew,

I have asked you questions about your opinions, so that I may better understand your thoughts.

Since you have decided to NOT answer one question, I must assume the following:

You are embarassed by your beliefs and do not want to share them in public.

You have realized that your beliefs are incorrect, and you must rethink them.

You are afraid that since your beliefs are so hateful, stating them in public will show everyone how hateful you and others of your ilk are.

Please answer the questions asked in my previous email...I am looking for YOUR OPINION as a Fundamentalist Christian on these matters.

Thank you for your response,

J

Date: Tue Apr 27 10:18 AM, 2004

To: Craig (et al) ...

Date: Tue Apr 27 10:36 AM, 2004

RE: Still waiting for an answer Matthew

Date: Tue Apr 27 12:03 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Jay R
"Matthew, I have asked you questions about your opinions, so that I may better understand your thoughts. Since you have decided to NOT answer one question, I must assume the following: You are embarassed by your beliefs and do not want to share them in public. You have realized that your beliefs are incorrect, and you must rethink them. You are afraid that since your beliefs are so hateful, stating them in public will show everyone how hateful you and others of your ilk are. Please answer the questions asked in my previous email...I am looking for YOUR OPINION as a Fundamentalist Christian on these matters. Thank you for your response, J"

Jay,

My opinions on all the matters you have mentioned are quite clear. I am referencing the Bible because I agree with what it says. If you understand the essential message of Christ, then you know what I believe.

I have another question for you, Jay. Regarding all the world religions with which you are familiar, which ones offer a free, unconditional entrance into Heaven?

Matthew

Date: Tue Apr 27 12:06 PM, 2004

Depends on which one you choose to believe, no?

Why not believe what you believe and stop telling people (who believe just as strongly what THEY believe) that their beliefs are invalid?

Seems like a stupid p issing contest to me.

Date: Tue Apr 27 12:19 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Matthew
" I have another question for you, Jay. Regarding all the world religions with which you are familiar, which ones offer a free, unconditional entrance into Heaven? Matthew "

Matthew,

That's fair - asking me questions. I will answer you and hopefully, you will answer me (I started another new thread for that purpose).

Which religions offer an unconditional entrance into heaven? I have to admit, that I do not know much about religions OTHER than my own. I can tell you that as a Jew, I do not believe there is unconditional entrance into heaven. In my belief, you must live a worthy and lawful life. Deathbed confessions or 'revelations of G-d' do not get you 'off the hook' for a lifetime of evil. I do however believe that there are many paths to heaven - available to all the world, not just a select few. Basically, it comes down to the way you live your life and also of what is expected of you during your life, ie - Less is expected of a mentally handicapped person that would be expected of an average person. Less is expected of an average person than (in my religion) a studious rabbi.

Of course, that's MY interpretation of my religion. Others may disagree (which is why there are various branches of Judaism around).

Hopefully, in the new thread i started, you'll answer my questions for you (feel free to ask your own).

Date: Tue Apr 27 12:22 PM, 2004

Lets get down to something of substance that this idiot "mamed" mathew might understand. I believe that 10,219 angels can dance on the head of a pin. How many do you think can do so? Proove it.

Date: Tue Apr 27 12:35 PM, 2004

Craig,

Are those skinny angels, fat angels, or perhaps mega-angels?

And the pin - is it a regular pin or maybe a mega-pin?

I think we might need more input to come up with an answer.

JMHO of course.

Date: Tue Apr 27 12:36 PM, 2004

Jay R, I reckon you're headed to the fiery abyss as well, my friend!

Date: Tue Apr 27 12:40 PM, 2004

Jay,

These are all very good questions. I think that we should have a Talmudic discussion some night about it - - - we should be able to cover it in a few hours.

Date: Tue Apr 27 12:55 PM, 2004

lol throw a couple brewskies in the mix and you've got a party!

Date: Tue Apr 27 2:13 PM, 2004

A few "tokes" would help too!

Date: Tue Apr 27 2:21 PM, 2004

...lol only if they're followed with a chaser of Ritalin! lol

Date: Tue Apr 27 2:32 PM, 2004

wow...RT IS filled with heathens!!! LOL!!!

:)

i'll bring the tequilla!!!

hey...maybe we SHOULD all get together and chill one night...the weather is getting nice - anyone game??? a little bbq...

Date: Tue Apr 27 2:33 PM, 2004

Sounds great! Just let me know the address.

I'll bring the Bibles!

Matthew

Date: Tue Apr 27 2:35 PM, 2004

[oh crap, the religious kid heard us! now what?]

lol no offense, Matt.