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Fed Gov't out of control


This case is the latest in a new trend for
the DOJ civil rights office. Three years
ago, the department launched a new unit
aimed at protecting the rights of religious
groups and individuals. Some cases, such
as defending the right of a Muslim
schoolgirl in Oklahoma to wear a traditional
head covering are consistent with
what average Americans understand religious
liberty to mean.

That kind of case, however, is far from
the primary focus of the government's
new legal team. Eric Treene, formerly of
the right-wing Becket Fund, wields
tremendous power in selecting which
cases will be pursued.

Many cases are designed to advance the goals of
the Religious Right.

The unit has supported the Child Evangelism
Fellowship's efforts to start afterschool
Good New Clubs, investigated a
school that prohibited distribution of religious
material during school-sponsored
holiday parties and threatened a biology
professor who required students to accept
evolution as a core principle of biology in
order to receive letters of recommendation.

Using government lawyers as advocates
for the Religious Right corrupts the purpose
of the civil rights division. The work
of this new division betrays the legacy of
the civil rights movement and the founding
fathers. Defending the Salvation Army's
efforts to use government money to discriminate
on the basis of religion does not
protect religious liberty; it violates the
establishment clause.


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NikkiSixx wrote:

...Eric Treene, formerly of
the right-wing Becket Fund, wields
tremendous power in selecting which
cases will be pursued...




There we have it... I wonder what sort of payola he's agreed to for helping his Becket buddies to advance their case against our town.

btw, where did this article come from?

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09/29/05 - Posted from the Daily Record newsroom
Christ Church: We never sought Corzine's help
Spokesman says senator not linked to probe

BY ROB JENNINGS
DAILY RECORD

Amid charges that ministers endorsed U.S. Sen. Jon Corzine's run for governor after he donated more than $2 million to their congregations, Christ Church of Montclair declared on Wednesday that it never sought his help in securing a federal investigation into Rockaway Township's handling of its controversial mega-church plan.

Church spokesman Marc Weinstein said he wanted to dispel unsubstantiated speculation on the Internet linking the U.S. Department of Justice's investigation to Corzine, the Democratic candidate for governor.

Corzine visited Christ Church several years ago and appeared in a promotional video distributed to potential new members.

"If people are trying to make a connection between the Corzine campaign and what Dr. (David) Ireland is trying to achieve in Rockaway Township, I think they're heading down the wrong road. It's idle speculation at best," Weinstein said.

Weinstein said he met with Ireland, the church pastor, on Tuesday to discuss the matter after media reports centered on $2.5 million in donations from Corzine's foundation to churches affiliated with the Black Ministers'Council of New Jersey.

Corzine's spokesman, Anthony Coley, said on Tuesday that Corzine "is not involved with the case involving Rockaway Township and Christ Church." He declined to elaborate.

Republican gubernatorial candidate Doug Forrester charged that the donations -- including $1 million and an $800,000 loan to the Calvary Baptist Church in Garfield in 2003 -- might have influenced endorsements of Corzine by 15 black ministers.

Weinstein said that Ireland, who leads a predominantly black congregation of 5,000, told him he wasn't part of the minister's council and hadn't endorsed Corzine -- either for governor or in the past.

Weinstein added that Christ Church hadn't received any money from Corzine's foundation.

"People are going to try and put two and two together here, but it doesn't equal four," Weinstein said.

The Department of Justice hasn't said what prompted its investigation, which will focus on whether the township's handling of Christ Church's application had violated the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act of 2000.

Rockaway Township Councilman Max Rogers said investigators should say whoever tipped them off.

"I wish I knew and I hope we find out," Rogers said. "I think the residents of Rockaway deserve to know ... Everyone has a right to know their accuser."

Rogers said he had no idea whether Corzine was involved and speculated that investigators might have fielded a tip from one of the handful of local residents publicly supporting Christ Church.

Russell Jones, a Rockaway Township resident who supports Christ Church, said he didn't know who started the investigation and added that he would be "really shocked" if it was Corzine.

Jones noted that numerous high-profile politicians, including former Republican gubernatorial candidate Bret Schundler, have friendly relationships with Christ Church.

"In terms of his constituency, I would think that a conservative Christian church would not be a place where Corzine would hang his hat," Jones said.

Rockaway Township planning board hearings have been under way since Dec. 15, 2003, and a 20th hearing was held Monday night. Christ Church filed a federal lawsuit in April against Mayor Louis Sceusi, the planning board, the council and the environmental commission.

"I'm certainly curious as to who could have pushed to have it launched," township resident Charles Mueller, who opposes the church plan, said of the investigation.

"It has to be somebody with political clout," Mueller said. "It had to be somebody connected high enough up to make a stink and get them to do something."

Weinstein, though, maintained that it was possible that the federal investigation stemmed simply from news reports.

"It just generated widespread publicity over the past two years," Weinstein said.


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Weinstein is a piece of sh*t and damn well knows who made the call. All in the name of the almighty $$$ - no wonder our local religious leaders have distanced themselves from this circus side show...

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I want to know where is the "Christian Outcry" from some other Christian religious organizations which should be against ireland and his methods of "following the cross". The mans behaviour is clearly morally repugnant; what he is doing is tantamount to exthortion and should be prosecuted for it.

But that will never happen, and of that I am certain.

-- Edited by Rational at 09:45, 2005-09-29

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I believe that in most cases, one of the most obvious traits of religious people in general tends to be a blind sense of trust in the good intentions of others -- especially other religious people of their own faith, and ESPECIALLY religious leaders who seem to be held in high esteem due to the number of people who follow them.

Unfortunately it seems that the days where a person could trust other followers to adhere to what should be a very simple belief and behavior system, are long over.

-- Edited by karen at 10:13, 2005-09-29

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Karen,

It came from the web site AU.org, Americans United for Separation of Church and State.


Regards,
Nikki



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my understanding is that most of the locals are in a "wait & see position" ... the pastors comments from Rockaway Pres were not appreciated by many of the members

While I know many opponents have said the Rev is not telling the truth, the papers have not been reporting that.


The silence from other rockaway clergy certainly is a telling sign that cc lacks support from them. My understanding was that a few supported them initially & he has lost them. Had he used different PR tactics, I think he would have had alot of support even though most think it was a bad site selection

Seems like most think this has turned into an ugly legal battle & most think that is how it will be decided

OK Rat ... lemme have it!

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You have it! It will be decided by the courts, not by RT. The town has lost control of its own destiny, a very foolish position to have landed in. That is why we are getting out.

Have fun!

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Hey has the market improved any?

BTW ... if cc is unable to build a campus with dorms they will most likely look to buy local properties for housing rehab people, missionaries, bible college students etc. (your house is probably too expensive)

would they have to go before the pb for that kind of occupancy as well?



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The market is the same - - - completely dead. It is the same for us as it will be for you.

And yes, you do have a good idea. I was thinking of advertising in the cc church bulletin!



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I don't know you Rat, and you probably are an ok guy, but grow a set and fight these scum bags.

"I'll advertise in the CC bulletin" WTF is that?

Why is it just because they are a church they can get what they want right or wrong? Are they any better then us?

Quit being a pussy and step up and fight or shut up and run away which is the easy thing to do.

Why is Rev living large with a Lexus, big house, and plenty of cash, but he asks all of his follows to do without? Do as say, not as I do.

What the hell is wrong with this picture?








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Quoting Nikki:

"Why is it just because they are a church they can get what they want right or wrong? Are they any better then us?

Quit being a pussy and step up and fight or shut up and run away which is the easy thing to do."

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Yes, because they are a black church, they CAN get what they want, right or wrong. Although they are not better than us, they clearly have many more rights than we do. WAKE UP? What country do you live in?

As for being a pussy, maybe I am, or maybe I am just a realist. But at least I will not become a financially poor pussy which is what will become of a lot of folks in town when its entire structure changes after the church gets approved by the court system.


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