It would all depend on their growth projections and plans.

Only a big business "church" like CC would build a megachurch as a means to make MO MONEY. GPBC would have no interest in this.

The Green Pond Bible Chapel is a real church. where people attend services to worship, not to see a show. They don't sell tapes or books. They don't have a business plan. They don't employ marketing and public relations firms. I bet they don't even have a lawyer.

CC is a big business hiding behind religion, and their leaders are a pack of wolves in sheeps clothing.

It's all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

It will be a cold day in H*LL when the good people of RT sit back and allow a megachurch on 140 Green Pond Road.

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Originally posted by: Green Ponder
"Only a big business "church" like CC would build a megachurch as a means to make MO MONEY. GPBC would have no interest in this. The Green Pond Bible Chapel is a real church. where people attend services to worship, not to see a show. They don't sell tapes or books. They don't have a business plan. They don't employ marketing and public relations firms. I bet they don't even have a lawyer. CC is a big business hiding behind religion, and their leaders are a pack of wolves in sheeps clothing. It's all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ It will be a cold day in H*LL when the good people of RT sit back and allow a megachurch on 140 Green Pond Road."

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Why all the hate just b/c CC is successful at reaching a large number of people?  Why do you think that a small church, that has parishoners that drop little tips in the offering basket, that reaches out in extremely limited ways due to relatively poor financial abilities, to be a "real" church, and one that has a membership filled with the desire to have a large far-reaching impact not to be a "real" church?  Are churches supposed to fail in their mission?

(And please try and answer without the "it's just a business,"  "it's all about $$$," answers.  I have heard them all, and from them it is cleear you have not looked into what CC is all about, since anyone with a remedial understanding of CC knows how much they provide to the region.)

Wow, I'm not sure how many ways to be insulted by that one.

I think Jesus said something about being humble and about the poor guy's gift of a penny meant more in his kingdom than the rich guy's huge donation...

(Paraphrasing obviously)

But, my question to you is:

Who are you to say these small churches fail in their mission??!!

They serve their congregation and their community. That's what churches do.

of poverty comes to mind.

Ireland sure ain't poor.

I will note another important distinction.  Green Pond Chapel does not have a Dunn and Bradstreet Rating.  cc and its ancillary corporations do (Check out Impact Ministires as an example if you have D&B capability).  cc is a business in church clothing.

Quite honestly, in my opinion, I don't think any independent audits done are fake...but I also don't believe your Rev is living at the same standards as one of our local ministers.

I really don't much care and don't want to find out.

The church has too many people and too many cars.

Too much impact on our area's environment, and volunteer services.

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Originally posted by: Craig Maier
"He (Ireland) wants to build something about the size of St. Peters Basillica here.  I am married to a devout Catholic. Neither of us want something akin to the Vatican to be located here in RT. 

Ok, that desire is fine, but not really part of my question.

Does anyone here think that this cc thing will bring us the spiritual benefits of the Vatican?  If you say yes, just give us a break - - - you are being not only intellectually, but also spiritually dishonest with the rest of us. 

Interesting.  You seem to be making assertions here underneath the comments.  If they relate to my questions I would love to here an elaboration.  Otherwise, if thousands of people find a community in which to exercise their Christian walk, I do not see how it would be intellectually or spiritually dishonest to state that CC provides those people the spiritual benefits you refer to.  Your comment seems to (please say so if not) relate to the size of the project, which was not my question.

cc has a D&B rating.  That pretty much sums it all up.

D&B defines its rating as follows : "D&B rating represents a reliable indicator predicting the likelihood of a company under observation to go bankrupt."

Can't say I agree that a church subsidiary having a D&B rating makes it not a "real" church - if the church is a smart one, it will use legal entity formation to allow it to best serve its community - being able to represent to potential lenders, media partners and the like that it is a viable entity worthy of their financial trust would be an important part of that.  Similar to keeping members informed of internal finance matters.

So, again, I wonder where all of the serious allegations (particularly in light of the slander-sensitive nature of this board) regarding Rev. Ireland and the church leaderships financial dealings and the mission of CC come from?  Thanks for any further comments.

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The Jewish and the Christian religion(s) do not have Dunn and Bradstreet ratings. Only christ church does in my own personal experience. (Maybe Jimmy and Tammy Faye Baker did too??)

If you want to run a business called "christ church" in RT, fine.  Call it as such.  We will consider it as such. U (cc) pay taxes like the rest of our profitable businesses here in town.  But please do not think that we are a bunch of idiots who actually believe that this cc thing is a real Church any more than "Maier Ministries" is. (we are very close to 501(c)3 status here too.  (I will give free lectures on how to attain this status to all in RT who are interested in the same having gone through it myself - - - took about 5 months til fruition)

So - - -

Hey, you cc guys, and the Politicians here in town, - - -  wanna play hardball, watch what happens when I get all the rest of RT to become Ordained Ministers with Phd's in Divinity!  Watch out - - - we will do it long before you (cc {country club}) will succeed in taking over and controlling the resources of our lovely township.

Read it and weap!  This can happen.  I just led pack to see what was involved and am glad to share with all.  The basic law of the seperation of powers is against ya given that we can play "church" hardball too.

Anyone in RT who wants to join us in becomming the "Church" status to help demonstrate the degree of farce here, please contact us at the following:

Craig Maier

dctools@aol.com

136 Meriden Rd.

Boonton, NJ

O7005

973-316-5772

The ultimate point is that we can all do it.  And if we do, the whole system comes a crumbling down!  So, let us engage!

Best Regards,

Craig Maier

OK then, it looks like I ran into the town loon.  No one care to warn me?  If anyone else has some sane answers I would be interested in hearing them, and thanks in advance for taking the time.

Oh, Karen - you mentioned something about it appearing the  Rev. Ireland lived better than your local church leaders.  I would respond in two ways.  One, I am not sure on what grounds you base that (please feel free to explain) other than the fact that he drives a Lexus.  I hope I do not come across as snotty, but that is not exactly a high-roller vehicle.  It is the low end version (starts at $36,000 new).  Second, I would expect that he be better paid than the pastor of a small church (I am assuming that the local pastors you are using as a comparison base are from smaller churches than CC).  He is charged with the responsibility of leading over 5000 members, 5 services per week, bible study and other offerings, along with attending to the church's other ministries involving the effective implementation of a fairly large sum of offerings in a way that furthers the church's mission.  Similar to expecting the dean of a college to be compensated more highly than the principal of a grammer school. 

We guessed that you had seen a few other posts by the Loon.

As an additional warning, the Loon's call can be very irritating (yet harmless) when made through a microphone. But rest assured, the planning board seems to have taken care of that problem.

Finally, 'Curious', thanks for the refreshing return to civilized debate.  It's been sadly lacking on this board for quite some time.

 

Craig, do you see ted everywhere?  Even in your dreams?

'Curious' isn't Ted, and neither are a few others here that you're ranting against.

In the past, Craig had occasionally made some slightly comprehensible arguments on this board.  Now it seems that his obsession with ted has caused him to slip off the edge and into the well deserved position of 'Town Loon'.

Let me guess, he'll respond to this post with the same, tired acronym.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.