Pride revisited - The "All Opinions are Welcome, but Sorry no Instigators" Board

Date: Thu Apr 8 1:12 AM, 2004

Pride revisited

Date: Thu Apr 8 6:14 AM, 2004

Thanks for the input on the word pride.

Now go tell Parsippany residents to NOT be proud of their township. Should they now trash the town?

Maybe if residents of some of the more urban areas of our state had PRIDE in their community, we'd have less crime, less pollution, and more people CARING about where they live.

Date: Thu Apr 8 6:21 AM, 2004

Oh, and by the way - keep thumping your bible about pride being a sin. Keep selling your brand of hatred.

The people of Rockaway Township are proud of VORT for what they have started. The people of Rockaway Township have pride in OUR community.

The first 2 definitions of pride in the dictionary are:

A sense of one's own proper dignity or value; self-respect.
Pleasure or satisfaction taken in an achievement, possession, or association: parental pride.

So I guess CC supporters are now telling us that having self-respect is a sin and that taking satisfaction in achievements is a sin.

Nice brand of religion you've got there. No thanks - I prefer having self-respect.

Date: Thu Apr 8 6:45 AM, 2004

Wow....you are a freak!!!

So a mother shouldn't be proud of her child doing well in school. A father shoudn't swell with pride when his boy hits a homerun. A person shouldn't be proud of the community they live in. You are sad and your version of PRIDE is sad.

I know where they practice you kind of religion, but it got burned down in Waco a few years back.

Date: Thu Apr 8 7:01 AM, 2004

Well, I must say it is again a very very sad post above. It must be a very dull and unfulfilling life to never have pride in your family, accomplishments, friends, home, community, or anything else. I know many who have pride in the house of worship they attend. Pride is not a shameful act.

I remain PROUD of my community, PROUD of Rockaway Twp and Proud of the good people of Rockaway Twp who will do what is best for the town they have pride in.

The law is on our side, twist it as you will but the truth is that communities do have a say as to what happens within them. Christ Church will find a home to fulfull the dreams they have and when they do I am sure they will have pride in the accomplishment.

Sincerely,

Lisa

Date: Thu Apr 8 7:02 AM, 2004

...and our town crier (more like screamer) tED thinks pride is a Nazi thing.

tED - pride is self-respect. Obviously, you have none. Those who do not have self-respect can have no respect for others.

...and for the thumpers who think pride is 'evil' - Some popular children's books:

When I Was Little: A Four-Year-Old's Memoir of Her Youth by Jamie Lee Curtis - This fun book clearly demonstrates and celebrates the pride children take in their accomplishments. (How evil of you Jamie Lee to write about pride)

Philip Pullman's The Amber Spyglass - winner of the prestigious Whitbread Book of the Year award. It's the first time a children's writer has won such a major book award. Philip Pullman says he feels "lucky" and "proud" to have won one the country's top book prizes. (oops, I guess he's evil too).

The Riches of Oseola McCarty, written by Evelyn Coleman and published by Albert Whitman and Company of Morton Grove, Ill., is described by Horn Book Magazine as a work that "evokes a world few contemporary children will know and introduces a heroine they will greatly admire." Horn Book said Coleman's focus in the book is "on the pride the women took in their work. And rather than preach, she details that work with a respect that confirms its dignity. (oooh, more evil authors)

Here's one for tED - The Yellow Star, The Legend of King Christian X of Denmark By Carmen Agra Deedy - FOR CENTURIES, the Star of David was a symbol of Jewish pride. But during World War II, Nazis used the star to segregate and terrorize the Jewish people.

So take your pride bashing elsewhere. We have pride in our township.

Date: Thu Apr 8 8:14 AM, 2004

Tell those people in Jefferson and all who have a son or daughter in the Military that it's "wrong" to be proud of dedication, commitment, and patriotism.

Oh, wait...are you saying it is also wrong to be proud to be an American?

But I thought WE "opposers" were the Un-American ones?!?!

Date: Thu Apr 8 8:14 AM, 2004

Can everyone please raise the conversation level above third grade? "Pride" in its basic form can be nothing more than positive self-respect, but it quite clearly can become something much much worse. Stop acting like third graders and recognize a more nuanced view of life.

Date: Thu Apr 8 9:06 AM, 2004

Ok - let's all move on.

We'll just chalk up the 'pride is a bad word' argument as another loss for the CC supporters.

We'll just chalk up the 'pride is a Nazi thing' as a slap in the face of decency from our town crier (screamer). We realize that his attack on pride is also an attack on self-respect (and therefore on respect for others).

We'll continue to feel pride in our community, although, I profess, I do not understand why CC supporters think that is a bad thing.

So lets move on to the next topic / attempt to discredit VORT (very Christian of you all in your vicious attempts at attacks on these four people and our community) that the CC spin doctors can manufacturer.

Date: Thu Apr 8 9:25 AM, 2004

Hey, dude...didja just get a new scanner? lol

Date: Thu Apr 8 9:28 AM, 2004

The thinking presented at the top of this thread is more like the thinking of a cult than that of a bone fide religion. Here is one of my examples of my use of the word "pride." For example, I am proud to be Jewish and proud of the religious organization in RT that I belong to because of what they (we) provide to our community. I do not want a so called "religious group" in this town that has no "pride."

Date: Thu Apr 8 9:37 AM, 2004

Apparantly "moving on" from the third grade discussion meant going to 2nd grade. Oh well.

Date: Thu Apr 8 11:57 AM, 2004

Very nice definitions for the word Pride. But once again you all miss the point.

Feelings of pride can be twisted and used by clever people to achieve an evil adgenda. There are many examples in history.

Maier brought up pride in religion. Good example. Pride in religion has played a role in both good as well as tragic events in history. Tragic examples are the Crusades, Spanish Inqusition, Jonestown, Salem Witch trials and problems in the Middle East

Date: Thu Apr 8 12:25 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Ted Doty
"Feelings of pride can be twisted and used by clever people to achieve an evil adgenda."

So tED, are you saying that Lisa is clever?
Are you saying Lisa is evil?

Personally, I have always thought you were clever and you clearly always have an agenda, so perhaps your "Nazi" comments that were directed at Lisa were really an externalization of how you feel about yourself (remembering that pride = self-respect) and your own agenda?

Date: Thu Apr 8 12:39 PM, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by: tED'S agenda
" So tED, are you saying that Lisa is clever?Are you saying Lisa is evil?

I've re read my comment and it references no one.

so perhaps your "Nazi" comments that were directed at Lisa were really an externalization of how you feel about yourself (remembering that pride = self-respect) and your own agenda?"

I've re read my comment and it references no one. And a pychiatrist, you're not lol

Date: Thu Apr 8 12:43 PM, 2004

Let's hope that "different view' does not represent, nor have the support of the bulk of the members of Christ Church. It's very sad to see people who claim to support a house of G-d attacking as viciously as has been the case in Rockaway Township over the past few months. Maybe tED is right (that hurts to say) - look how many horrible things have happened historically "in the name of G-d". Unfortunately, man can never truly comprehend G-d, but instead, often uses G-d as an excuse for vile and very human behavior.

Date: Thu Apr 8 12:51 PM, 2004

For what it's worth, my clueless opinion on this issue is:

I believe that real pride, in whatever form, has been probably the most common and most effective reason for any person--EVER--to bring about true positive change in their own life and/or the world they live in.

Haughtiness, cockiness, pompousness, in my eyes, are not related to true pride--these qualities are actually signs of an insecure person. They are all just reasons a person would accept him/herself the way they are, and dismiss the rest of the world as wrong.

This way, cowards can avoid looking at themselves (and at the world around them), so they don't have to acknowledge that they really should do something to change things for the better.

Date: Thu Apr 8 12:56 PM, 2004

tED's claims

Date: Thu Apr 8 1:22 PM, 2004

RE: Pride revisited

Date: Thu Apr 8 1:30 PM, 2004

Hey, at least there's a discussion being had here. What's your objective?

What do YOU want to talk about?

Date: Thu Apr 8 2:02 PM, 2004

It's obvious that unreal does not like the conversation because it:

Was started by a CC supporter, but their arguments have been proven rediculous (that 'pride' is bad)

continues to hound tED for his Lisa / Nazi statements.

By the way unreal - you add nothing to the conversation. If you don't like it, go away. We don't need your comments telling us what to post / not post.

Date: Thu Apr 8 2:56 PM, 2004

What a shame, by calling us immature, it seemed as though he might have something "mature" to say.

I guess not.

Date: Thu Apr 8 3:07 PM, 2004

Ok children, let's try again, starting with a quote from me:

"'Pride' in its basic form can be nothing more than positive self-respect, but it quite clearly can become something much much worse."

Essentially there is a huge string of useless posts here arguing nothing. If you have pride in something (in the "self-respect" definition) that is great. If you are ruled by your pride you have problems.

What problems? You can look at it from either a secular or religious perspective. From the secular perspective, "pride" and its negative offshoots is in fact a large factor in the environment that allowed Nazism to take root in Germany, and is the basis for white supremacist nonsense here in the good ole USA. From a religious perspective, "pride" (again in its overdeveloped sense) is sinful. The quotes above are biblical (including some Old Testament Craig - so pay attention they apply to you too), and are helpful warnings for all of us.

So please excuse me if I feel like having some fun at the expense of your sophomoric postings.

Date: Thu Apr 8 3:17 PM, 2004

Thanks for that--I guess these are just generic "warnings" since you aren't aiming them at anyone in particular, right?

Guidelines, rules of thumb, if you will.

For those of us who desire to be enlightened and happy like you.

p.s. So...counting backwards is fun for you, Ted? First we're third graders, then second, first, and now sophomores?

Date: Thu Apr 8 3:31 PM, 2004

Below is sophomoric for you. I was using it in its No. 1 form, not 2.

soph·o·mor·ic
Pronunciation: "säf-'mOr-ik, -'mor-, -'mär- also "sof- or "sä-f&- or "so-f&-
Function: adjective
1 : conceited and overconfident of knowledge but poorly informed and immature
2 : of, relating to, or characteristic of a sophomore <a sophomoric prank>

Date: Thu Apr 8 3:34 PM, 2004

To: Unreal ....

Date: Thu Apr 8 3:40 PM, 2004

RE: Pride revisited

Date: Thu Apr 8 3:58 PM, 2004

Ah, Ted--I guess your dictionary lists words in a different order.

And, of course, if it's not the way you think, it's "wrong".

Oh well...

www.dictionary.com (source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary©); www.yourdictionary.com,
(source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition)- these sources list it as:

soph·o·mor·ic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sf-môrk, -mr-, -mr-)
adj.
1. Of or characteristic of a sophomore.
2. Exhibiting great immaturity and lack of judgment: sophomoric behavior.

...so considering you were using "school" references, the "sophomore" definition fit better--especially since you were the one acting most immature...

Date: Thu Apr 8 4:57 PM, 2004

Uh........ first off, I am not Ted. And second, you do a great job of proving my point (using which ever meaning you prefer

).

Date: Wed Apr 14 4:08 PM, 2004

So it appears that most here take issue with the Biblical characterization of 'Pride'.

That is certainly your right, but I hope none of you wastes your time in any Christian church or Jewish syangogue.