His life mission is to argue. Whatever position the moral majority takes, he takes the other side. If the tables where turned, and all the residents of RT where pro-CC, he would be against it.
I think it's interesting that Nikki has concluded money is the motivation for CC supporters. I've often wondered if accusations like that project a bit of the accusers personality...but enough armchair psychoanalysis.
One reason to support the church was suggested in postings last week. That is, construction of the church will slow the commercial development of GPR. The Agilent property is 100 acres within 2 miles of rte 80, with sewer and water, one exit away from a large retail center. It is certainly probable that if the church is denied, more retail shops will take it's place.
VoRT founders have taken a "stop the church first" position for the past two years but isn't it about time alternatives are considered?
I believe that Ted's reply to your comment about just trying to stop redevelopment is that another large project will inevitably take its place. Ted has reiterated this conclusion ad nauseum in various forms but I for one cannot understand how that's a reason to not oppose this megaproject known as christ church. I think it's clear to everyone except Ted that if you're against the overdevelopement of 140 GPR, you need to fight the battles as they present themselves. Currently, christ church has an application that if approved would overdevelop that property. Therefore it is logical to oppose it at this time. If another oversized project were to come along later, that project would be opposed with the same amount of energy. I just don't see why that isn't clear.
So Kim, don't leave us hanging. What do you think will or should happen to 140 GPR.
Do you think that it will remain vacant? Do you think that the town fathers will look for another Agilent sized tenant? Or do you think RT will capitalize on the mall's power to draw a retail crowd and look for a high tax revenue ratable for the site?
Rockres, you raise a valid point but in my opinion, civic minded people should more than just react; they should be proactive.
Our right to dictate a private sale of property is somewhat limited. But we can deduce that something is going to occur and the trend is that it will be something big, whether or not it's CC
"If another oversized project were to come along later, that project would be opposed with the same amount of energy. I just don't see why that isn't clear."
True, true, true.
However, if another project, say a company came in, we would not have to worry about what would happen after they get in. They would not bring in over 5000 people with potential to grown into the tens of thousands. We would not have to support this project because they would not be taking advantage of RT by demanding better roads, etc. They would be paying taxes, they would be bringing in jobs. But we really don't have to worry. A company with 5,000 employees would not buy 140GPR because a company would take into consideration the traveling route of their employees and would know they wouldn't fit on GPR.
It's not clear because you're not dealing with a clear minded person. Of course it's clear-crystal clear, painfully obvious, and logical to a fault.
But since the majority of RT is opposed to this application, it is the tROLL'S lot in life to be the contrarian; clarity and logic have nothing to do with it.
If the Mayor wanted to pass a resolution that "Water is wet". The tROLL would be mailing fliers to the contrary; that the space between the Hydrogen and Oxygen molcules are not wet...sad but true.
con·trar·i·an (kən-trār'ē-ən) n.
One who takes a contrary view or action. One who deliberately decides to go against the prevailing wisdom of others.
Rather than put forth a valid argument, you attack the credibility of the person with an opposing view. If that's all you can muster,go for it but people see through the tactic and sooner or later even your most ardent supporters will grow weary of it.
Back to the point:
140 GPR is one of the last sizeable pieces of property left, within the sewer district. Do you really think it will remain as it is now?
Of course not, but it won't grow anymore than it is. What do you think we're fighting for? Anything that is bigger than what's there now is too unmanageable for the area. In a nutshell.
Ahhhhh...the new spin- "leave it vacant"- laughable. Of course not nor do I believe it will. That does not address what CC has planned for the site. As you already know, we all would oppose anything of this size scope and magnitude regardless of its intended use.
If an 800 employee company wanted to move right in without any major disturbance; offering jobs, taxes and no additional environmental, or infrastructure impact, I say "WELCOME!!!!!"
If a company wanted to bring in 5000+ employees disturb,a Highlands protected tract, coerce intimidate and threaten our elected officials, sue our town, lie to the DEP, turn this into a media circus, insult the citizens, and drag their feet thru the entire process as Christ Church is - yer Damned right I'll oppose them too!
Let's see. The Mayor claims to be struggling to maintain the current tax rate and 140 GPR is 107 acres of prime land with sewer and city water...come on guys, it's time to wake up. The town fathers want the property for expanstion and I think the quickest most lucrative game in town is retail.
History often repeats itself if you don't learn from it.
"Rockaway 80"was an attempt to balance retail with office space, after many unsuccessful years, it was decided that retail was quicker and more lucrative.
Seven or eight years ago the Marcella Fire Company saw a need for a new fire truck at about $500,000. Shortly thereafter ther was an application to construct a hotel behind the Hibernia Diner. The hotel issue ended up in court with claims that the RT Mayor tried to extort a $500k fire truck from the owner of the land behind the diner. To parallel, the Birchwood based rescue squad is in need of upgrade due to the mall and a favorite argument against CC is that it would create a need to upgrade emergency services. Does anyone want to bet that if the church fails, a commercial concern will step in and will be asked to donate equipment?
I believe that unless we stop the growth now, it will continue north along GPR. Approval of the church would force us to slow or halt that growth
"I believe that unless we stop the growth now, it will continue north along GPR. Approval of the church would force us to slow or halt that growth"
Right you are for once. Approval of the church will halt growth because no one will be able to get up GPR without sitting in massive traffic jams, including those already up GPR.
Jerkoff says "with claims that the RT Mayor tried to extort a $500k fire truck from the owner of the land behind the diner. To parallel, the Birchwood based rescue squad is in need of upgrade due to the mall and a favorite argument against CC is that it would create a need to upgrade emergency services. Does anyone want to bet that if the church fails, a commercial concern will step in and will be asked to donate equipment?"
So, where was the uproar when ATT had to build AN ENTIRE FIRE DEPT in Liberty Corner when they moved in? Nowhere, because it was just, legal and necessary.
...sad but true.
