Thinker,

If Christ Church were looking to locate in a more densely populated area, as you suggest, they'd have moved east not west.  For example there are more people within a 60 mile radius of Manhattan than Rockaway.  I didn't check with the US census but I think that's correct. 

Gadfly,

I'm glad you agree. As I said, he picked the spot as most of us did. The intersection of cost vs. proximity. East would have been closer but more expensive . West would be less expensive but not as convenient...and many of us like seeing deer run through the yard...except when the stop to munch on the flowers.

In terms of the number of services, I absolutely believe he'd like to limit it to two. What priest, rabbi or minister wouldn't prefer less sermons for the same collection dollars?

tED,

We all heard ireland state at an early planning board meeting that he had growth projections that he didn't want to share (too hard to quantify was his words, I believe).

A DIRECT QUOTE from ireland from a press interview --> "We have definite plans for future ministries. We work with our strategic plan, looking at where we’re going to be in five years and what we want Christ Church to look like."

strategic plan...future ministries...looking ahead five years....These are words for  a business man planning to grow his company and NOT a rev. just intent on moving to a bigger location to accomodate his CURRENT flock.

Again, ireland has as he states "definite plans for future ministries", why won't he tell us about this PLANNED GROWTH?  He has stated he KNOWS what he wants cc to look like in five years.  This sounds to me like GROWTH PROJECTIONS.

Are you so naive to believe that his plan is to just move here and remain stagnant???  Listen to his OWN words and he speaks of of growth!

Fact:  When interviewed by a church magazine, ireland claims to plan new future ministries (growth) as part of a strategic five year plan.  He is very forthcoming when speaking about his planned future for growth.

Fact:  When interviewed by the Rockaway Township planning board, ireland claims growth is hard to quantify and fails to tell them about his strategic five year plan and future PLANNED ministries.

 

Fact:  dOTY sends out pro-CC mailer to all of Rockaway Township (sorry tED - you forgot the people with Boonton POs), but refused to say who paid for the mailing.

Fact:  dOTY's continued refusal to state who paid for the mailings leads to the conclusion that he has been "bought and paid for", rendering his opinions on the matter worthless.

 

So tED - who paid for the mailing?

Did you profit from it...or as people ask Pedro Martinez when he's pitching against the Yankees....Who's your dADDY?

Eagle,


You said, " how many of those 7 or 800 people are still listening? Move on, let's deal with reality."


They are all still listening, and waiting.

It is your grip on reality that is tenuous at best.

Mutb

Yeah, I met with ireland, and he is willing to pay my engineering rate of $150.00 per hour for support, so I saw the light.  How much is he paying you?

tEd pontificated:

"You finally admit to being on the CC payroll. It's very clever how helped by pretending to be opposed to CC and then writing comments, under several pseudonyms that made the anti church contingent look bad...Man, you're a genius!"

mR dOTy - do I detect a hint of instigating and a touch of rabble rousing?? That is why yOU were shown the door the last time around...can yOU explain whom this "anti-church" contingent is comprised of??

Quoting

"You finally admit to being on the CC payroll. It's very clever how helped by pretending to be opposed to CC and then writing comments, under several pseudonyms that made the anti church contingent look bad...Man, you're a genius!"

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Yup, that is why I get paid the big bucks and you will always be making min wage, buddy.

 

ah, mR dOty, can yOu please answer the question - exactly who are the "anti-church" contingent yOu spoke of?? A very simple question, no?? I for one have not met one "anti-church" resident yet - but I have spoken with over 100 opposers to the re-development plans a certain mega-corporation has before our planning board. I'm waiting...

I'd say "Anti-Christ-Church" is a bit of a stretch as well; I don't know anyone who is against the existence of Christ Church.

How about "anti-project-that's-inappropriate-for-the-site" contingent? That's a bit more accurate. Because regardless of whether it's Christ Church or Lighthouse for the Blind or Dairy Queen headquarters we're against it.

is the traffict nighmare just an opinion?? Is the digging up of the underground parking lot (that cC forgot to mention to the DEP) just an opinion?? How about the the fact that cC has shown up unprepared to every meeting, consistently drop off last minute changes to plans, and then the rEv cries about us stalling??? Just an opinion??? LOL!!!......

JohnQ,

Yes, the "traffic nightmare", as you call it is an opinion.  Sworn testimony has revealed that the traffic will flow smoothly and the PB chairman has admitted to past "failures" in working with the state and county.

The impact of the parkng issue is still being (or to be) discussed

The changes to which you refer were ALL requested by the PB.  The new downsized plans were submitted a full 3 weeks prior to the next meeting..

The "stall" refers to a PB imposed 3 month delay, the "what is a church?" discussions and the PB refusal to accept the CC offer to pay for a meeting place whn the Board couldn't find one

Where do you get 6 minutes?

oh tED, yOu missed yOur calling in life - yOu were ment to be a used car salesman no doubt...

fortunatly, the rest of Rockaway does not buy into yOur twisted view of the world, and the adults are making the decisions for our towns future.

Rat - I will miss you - you shoot from the hip and add a certain spice to the mix...adios amigo...

 

 

-- Edited by JohnQ at 22:32, 2005-07-16