Procedure - The "All Opinions are Welcome, but Sorry no Instigators" Board

eaglemig · Status: Offline

Procedure

GadFly · Status: Offline

Sure, ireland wouldn't mind having our town "break from procedure". It would finally give him something to SUE over!

Not too swift, are you eAGLE???

eaglemig · Status: Offline

It appears CC has found cause to sue and Councilmen, PB members as well as those who post here feel the suit is laughable. So what are worrried about?

BTW the last post indicated that the church does have grounds for legal action. Are you admitting the "stall" is a TWP strategy? Perhaps someone felt CC would eventually pack its bags and leave or Agilent would break its contract?

GadFly · Status: Offline

I guess you call holding planning board meetings "stalling".

Why are you in such a rush for the pb to come to judgement?

cc's lawsuit is clearly baseless. Our township has no reason to give them something to really sue over (ie, kicking them out now without fully hearing their case).

Relax and let our pb do it's job!

eaglemig · Status: Offline

Are you a lawyer or judge? How can you claim that the suit is baseless? By what authority? Deal with facts, not opinion.

Mr Dimin was ready to dismiss the process on two occasions. Once over the definition of a church and once over a perceived discrepancy between DEP and PB plans. Clearly there is legal authority to end it, why don't they?

JohnQ · Status: Offline

tED/rUSS - I am glad yOU find humor in cC suing our town - I think it is disgusting and anything but laughable. That does not change the fact that the lawsuit is a bogus piece of sh*t, and was clearly trumped up in hopes that Rockaway would lay down like a beaten dog - it is going to blow up in cC's face, just like all the other stunts they have tried to pull.

It is clear now how desprate the situation has become for cC - can you say rock and a hard place?? They know damn well that the exemption will be pulled due to major changes in the plans - this ends the bid for moving here. cC needs to get us to court in a desprate attempt to recoup some major $$$'s wasted on "ireland's folly"...good luck with that!

eaglemig · Status: Offline

"laughable" is the term vORT used in a letter to the editor and Ms. Salberg used in public comment to th RT Town Council. I know of no one else that finds this laughable

JohnQ · Status: Offline

I have on thing to say to yOU tED/rUSS - f*#k yOU....

now I feel better...can we now have this bum thrown off the site again?? Let hIM rabble rouse on the cC controled nj.con...

THINKER · Status: Offline

"How can you claim that the suit is baseless? By what authority? Deal with facts, not opinion." And that's exactly what the lawsuit does. Deals with opinions. They have no facts. They make accusations, but no proof of any of it. cc has certainly jumped the gun on this lawsuit. Nothing has been ruled one way or the other. What are they suing for? Why is the rev on the lawsuit? Baseless, unfactual and just a bully tactic is what this lawsuit is. And all this lawsuit has done for cc is proved to all that cc is not the kind of neighbor you would want in any town.

eaglemig · Status: Offline

I'm just asking questions, thats all.

BTW regarding JohnQ's last response to me: Are you angry or wishing me well? I know some people use such language when they're mad but I can't think of a more pleasurable experience than what Mr. Q suggests. Can you?

eaglemig · Status: Offline

To thinker

To my knowledge evidence is presented at trial, not in the description you quoted and from what I can tell, they must have some good evidence.

The PB must have some fear since they have it in their power to stop the hearings but won't...even with the "documented " lies, omisions etc. they claim to hold.

THINKER · Status: Offline

Do you think the pb is as stupid as you? How can there be any good evidence when there hasn't even been any good accusations? And who said that the pb has "documented " lies, omisions etc. they claim to hold.?

ChuckM2005 · Status: Offline

I dont know who eagle**** is, but he is clearly another "Instigator", troll, or whatever you want to call it. One has to remember that anyone can file suit against anyone else for anything at any time. You dont need any proof to file, but when it finally comes in front of a judge, well thats another story. Anyone who read the actual suit cant help but call the lack of validity, "laughable". I'm surprised they didnt accuse the PB of causing someone's dog to have a miscarriage or something. The PB continued with the hearings because they were NOT afraid of CC or the suit, and BTW, last I heard CC still hadnt even served the people named in the suit. If they dont within a certain period of time, the suit is no more. Maybe its CC thats afraid of what they started. Huh?

eaglemig · Status: Offline

As to Thinker's comment, your's is merely a laymen's opinion The suit is there and it will be up to a Judge and jury to decide its validity.

As to Chuck, Ireland has 120 days from the date the suit was filed to serve papers. Which puts the deadline at Aug.16. In Jenings' article regarding the downsized plans you probably noted that Ireland announced his strategy - He's waiting to see if the town treats him fairly.

An astute person like Chuck can easily read into this statement: CC has submitted its last, best and final offer (whether you like it or not) and depending on the treatment he receives at the next PB he'll make a decision to serve papers.

JohnQ · Status: Offline

Just to clarify tEd/sUSAN - I am aggravated with yOU - so eat sh*t and bark at the moon - is that more clear?? (unless of course yOU decide that would be a pleasurable experience too).

Karen - time to escort the instigator out the door once again...after all this is the "no instigators" message board...

Rational · Status: Offline

I think that cc should buy the 5 square block area in which eagle lives to construct their church. Except for one thing - - - they should buy every house but for eagles so that eagle can really enjoy the circus show every sunday.

THINKER · Status: Offline

"He's waiting to see if the town treats him fairly." It is he who does not treat RT fairly. Like growth figures, like not tying up traffic in 3 towns when he said he wouldn't come if there would be a traffic problem, like capping growth, like giving false plans, like calling us racists, like pretending he needs an escort to the bathroom, like giving plans to the pb too late to be used in the next meeting, like calling underground parking, underbuilding parking etc. Get my drift? He has lied over and over to us in RT. How can we treat him fairly when he throws all these obstacles in our way?

eaglemig · Status: Offline

Thinker, your opinions are understood but like it or not Ireland has options. The lawsuit deadline is mid August and Ireland is going to make a decision based on how he's treated between now and then.

Keep your opinions or change them. It doesn't matter to me. Just as long as you understand the potential outcomes

RTDweller · Status: Offline

this may be a shot in the dark, but the future growth figures are probably located at the bank who is lending them the $$ for the "campus" ... what bank or lending institution would finance a project 6 times their annual income (before expenses) without growth figures?

THINKER · Status: Offline

"Ireland is going to make a decision based on how he's treated between now and then." Glad you agree. Ireland is nothing but a bully. "If I don't get my way, I'm going to sue RT" Well rev go right ahead. I can't wait till this hits the courts. You'll find you're not fooling around with country bumpkins by no means. Make your threats. We can handle them more so than you. Cause when your congregation learns how much money you have wasted and how foolish you look, you won't have a member left.

BR · Status: Offline

So if he has until Aug 16th to carry out his lawsuit, does that mean the PB has to approve his plans at the next meeting. They haven't even scratched the surface on the trafiic issue. That alone will take 2 years of meetings, and if the lawsuit hits next month, bye-bye PB meetings. Throw that in with the DEP overrulling and looks like a lose-lose situation for the poor rEV. I wonder who the new buyer of 140 GPR will be?

tEd/rUSS or whoever you are, the fat lady has sung on this plan. Move on with your life.

Oh, and thanks for stirring things up on this forum. It's been getting pretty lame here since it looks like the CC mess is almost over.

karen · Status: Offline

While I believe he is a dickhead in the truest sense of the word, I don't believe TedRuss should be banned at this point, since he's simply arguing his side of the issue, silly as it may seem, and it's still an opinion.

I'm not comfortable banning someone simply because we don't like him. If I were, he'd already be gone.

Besides, it's possible that it's not TedRuss and that there are actually three CC supporters out there somewhere in RT. Come on, it could happen!

And on this forum, might I add, at least we have the opportunity to rebut him (all my email addresses are invalid on nj.com so I haven't been posting over there, and I'm sure many others have the same problem. I get tired of going through all the procedure for a new screen name just to be banned after 2 posts.)

NOW if things become personal and/or inappropriate (i.e. obvious baiting, personal instigation, or religious prodding in an attempt to once again make one's way into Raggard headlines), the IP will be blocked (along with those of any of the rest of us who don't have the self control to keep things appropriate ourselves!) and the thread pulled.

So like I tell a couple of you other guys on a regular basis, play nice and we'll do fine.

Or ignore him if you like.

eaglemig · Status: Offline

Again, all that stuff doesn't matter (not that I agree with you). How the town acts from now on does...

Thump your chest and say "bring on the lawsuit" but you're speaking as though 22,000 residents are behind you. Check over your shoulder, I don't think they're all there.

eaglemig · Status: Offline

To BR, don't assume that the new plan has to be approved at the next meeting. Ireland only said he's looking for fair treatment

THINKER · Status: Offline

You are right. We don't have 22,000 residents behind us. We stand corrected. We have 21,986 residents behind us.

eaglemig · Status: Offline

Thinker, If you're confident, so be it. I just don't believe you're correct.

But RT has been given an opportunity to tone down the hostility and take a fresh look. Look around, the Mayor has recently held back on making negative comments and after an unfortunate outburst, Lisa and Kim have been silent. Even you have noticed a slowdown in this forum. Take a hint

JohnQ · Status: Offline

Take a hint yOURSELF tEddy/mUllEtMan - silence does not equate Rockaway rolling over - yOu will have to move on to harassing our BOE again sooner than later crash - I feel truly sorry for yOur family having to put up with the shame yOu bring them...

karen · Status: Offline

"Slowdown on this forum"?

Why, what should we be discussing? We've all discussed the issues at hand at this point. As new issues come up we'll discuss them as well.

The difference between this forum and the other one is that nj.com caters to your ridiculous, nonsensical posts and therefore sane people have to spend hours on end babysitting that forum to keep you in check.

It doesn't mean anything productive is happening over there.

Nor does it mean that nothing productive is happening here.

What a waste of time that board is.

eaglemig · Status: Offline

To JohnQ, no one said the Town should "roll over"

To karen, I only refered to BR's last comment but you have to admit it's been quiet here. it used to be chuck full of updates, notices etc. Since the downsized plan was submitted there's been silence mostly

JohnQ · Status: Offline

to eagle/sUSAN/tED/mULLET - yOU sure as hell have suggested we roll over for the great and powerful rEV iRELAND, time and time again, in all yOUR personas...why continue with yOUR smart ass silly semantics??? I submitt yOU are a pompus ass...just my humble opinion...

p.s. - we all know cC will never build here in Rockaway, they are just too many and growing - what do yOU expect to gain by yOUR continued cC support???