Ted,

Please note - I nor any member of VORT seeks public office, seeks to purchase the agilent property, seeks to financially gain from our efforts (in fact we have spent our own $$ to oppose the application) and we seek nothing else in which we would personally gain from ANYTHING.  Please tell us then if we are not interested in the best interest of Rockaway Twp...why are we doing this? 

You may have "motives" for your actions that have personal gain - please do not think that everyone has this point of view.  Sometimes you have to do what is RIGHT in order to protect what you love. 

We will continue to fight for Rockaway Twp, our home.  If you care to have fits at public meetings and call people names go right ahead, we are busy with our focus on the real issues - our environment, roadways, water, traffic and tax dollars.

Sincerely,

Lisa Salberg

 

As I’ve already said, Lisa and vORT are working for the interests of residents in the northern section of Rockaway who have joined forces with forces in the 2nd ward.  The 2nd ward wants Fleetwood to be open space and the north end wants a school near their neighborhood.  The remaining 2/3 of the township are ignored by Lisa’s little group.

 

Lisa was sucked into this battle.  I’m not suggesting that she has political motives; I only suggest that the girl can really motivate a crowd (e.g. Copeland rally).  Lisa has (or had) enough political juice to run for office and that fact has Sceusi, Sheninger and Schievella shaking in their boots.

 

I can tell by your other comments that you don’t even realize that you are being used 

I am still taking donations to help Ted move to Montclair.  Are there any more contributors to this fine cause?  It would improve the environment trememdously here in RT.  So far, we have $12,000.00 in pledges.  BTW - we have friends who live in Montclair.  CC, according to them, has basically destroyed a portion of Montclair on Sundays, the section in which our friends live.  Total gridlock by traffic and other stuff.  Our friends are very excited about the prospects of CC moving here to RT.  They that pray that it goes through.  I am told that they want their town back.  Since CC will not go through here in RT, I feel that it is a natural place for Ted to move to, a project that I am glad to help sponser.  He will feel very comfortable.

Craig,

12K is enough. You can buy him a house on William Street in Montclair, it's about 2 minutes down the road from CC. A house in this neighborhood should qualify for some type of urban renewal grant. Ted will be very happy there I'm sure. Just don't go out at night.

Don't get into a spitting contest with a dry mouth.  Here are some Census 2000 facts:

Rockaway

 

2000 Median family income: $80,939

 

87.75% White, 1.41% African American, 0.2% Native American, 6.36% Asian, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 2.98% from other races.

 

 

Montclair

 

2000 Median family income:  $96,252.

 

59.77% White, 32.06% African American, 0.19% Native American, 3.15% Asian, 0.04% Pacific Islander, 1.77% from other races, and 3.03% from two or more races. 5.12% of the population are Hispanic or Latino of any race.

 

Quote from NJ site: "Montclair's diversity, thriving downtown, solid schools, and attractive housing stock make it one of the most desirable towns in New Jersey."

 

Looks like you'll have to find Ted a local spot for your $12k 

 

Data:

http://www.wnjpin.net/OneStopCareerCenter/LaborMarketInformation/lmi25/

Quote:

http://www.fact-index.com/m/mo/montclair__new_jersey.html

none there for Rockaway so here is one:

With over 20,000 residents, Rockaway Township is a family community that offers a unique combination of distinctive neighborhoods which retain a small town character, with lake communities, new housing developments and quiet, more rural residential areas.  The entire community is a rolling countryside with excellent recreational facilities. 

 

RE: MONTCLAIR/ROCKAWAY INCOME DATA

Sorry, I think you’ve looked at some apples-to-oranges data.

You’ve picked up the “Median Family Income” from Montclair and the “Median Household Income” from Rockaway.

Montclair township Median Household Income: 74,894
Montclair township Median Family Income: 96,252
http://www.wnjpin.net/OneStopCareerCenter/LaborMarketInformation/lmi10/inc/essinc.htm

Rockaway township Median Household Income: 80,939
Rockaway township Median Family Income: 89,281
http://www.wnjpin.net/OneStopCareerCenter/LaborMarketInformation/lmi10/inc/morinc.htm

Granted, Montclair is still higher…I know there’s a section in Montclair where the people are incredibly wealthy, and a section where the people are incredibly poor (I have a friend who lives on William street in an apartment building; there are squatters living in the attic there, and that’s not a “big deal”…I’ve never heard of that here). Here in Rockaway I think things are a bit more moderate.

I can’t imagine under what circumstances the median “household income” would be almost $20,000 different from the “family income”. I haven’t got time at work to investigate the difference between the two income statistics.

Anyone more statistically knowledgeable than I am who can answer that?

That was an interesting Montclair quote from fact-index.com, but you left out part of it:

It basically has all the amenities of a great urban neighborhood.

Montclair is urban.  It is a town designed to handle lots of people.  The population density of Montclair is 6190 people / square mile.  The infrastructure to support so many people far exceeds what Rockaway Township has to offer.

Rockaway Township's population density is under 500 per square mile.  It's much more RURAL and can't support a large campus.

Changing topics - someone was talking about Montclair vs Rockaway Township family income.  The averages are fairly close, but if you look at the breakdown (see below), you will find that Montclair has a much larger low-income population and also a much larger high-income population.  If you want to look up census info, go right to the source - http://factfinder.census.gov and click on "fact sheet".  You can get all sorts of information on any city / town in the country.

Rockaway Township
Montclair

Families
6,394
100
9,826
100

Less than $10,000
22
0.3
236
2.4

$10,000 to $14,999
80
1.3
178
1.8

$15,000 to $24,999
132
2.1
433
4.4

$25,000 to $34,999
321
5
524
5.3

$35,000 to $49,999
556
8.7
925
9.4

$50,000 to $74,999
1,426
22.3
1,386
14.1

$75,000 to $99,999
1,230
19.2
1,416
14.4

$100,000 to $149,999
1,611
25.2
1,901
19.3

$150,000 to $199,999
519
8.1
1,096
11.2

$200,000 or more
497
7.8
1,731
17.6

Median family income (dollars)
89,281
(X
96,252
(X)

Oh well - that income spreadsheet looked good when I pasted it in to this board, but didn't come out.

I'll try posting it one more time, reformatted:

                                    Rockaway Township                Montclair         

                                                #          %                     #          %

Families                                    6,394   100                  9,826   100

Less than $10,000                    22        0.3                   236      2.4

$10,000 to $14,999                 80        1.3                   178      1.8

$15,000 to $24,999                 132      2.1                   433      4.4

$25,000 to $34,999                 321      5                      524      5.3

$35,000 to $49,999                 556      8.7                   925      9.4

$50,000 to $74,999                 1,426   22.3                 1,386   14.1

$75,000 to $99,999                 1,230   19.2                 1,416   14.4

$100,000 to $149,999             1,611   25.2                 1,901   19.3

$150,000 to $199,999             519      8.1                   1,096   11.2

$200,000 or more                    497      7.8                   1,731   17.6

Median family inc(dollars)         89,281                         96,252

 

Formatting still not working great - but the table in the previous post - 1st 2 set of numeric columns is Rockaway township and the 2nd 2 set of numeric columns is Montclair.  1st # is number of families.  2nd is % of city/town population in that category. 

Median is often used in demographic statistics, however, average is often much more instructive.  Median is thrown off by extremes whereas average is not as much.  Median is a "ranked" or "ordered" number with the middle number being chosen as the value after ranking has been performed.  Average sums all values and divides by N where N is the number of units so no element is missing from the statistical average.  Median is intentially used to "dial out" extremes in the data on either end of the spectrum.

Re-read Lisa’s initial post as well as my posts.  They couldn’t be any clearer.

 

And Lisa is the one being used, you’re just clueless

Ted

 

Maybe you have be used in the past.  Lisa is not.  You get a clue.....Lisa and I are looking out for the community in which we reside.  What are looking out for?????  Certainly not RT, then why do you live here, if you think it is so bad? 

 

Maybe I am clueless  -   only about you!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Kim