Infuriating! - The "All Opinions are Welcome, but Sorry no Instigators" Board

Date: Sat Mar 13 12:43 PM, 2004

Infuriating!

Date: Sat Mar 13 1:44 PM, 2004

And now, right on schedule, Todddavid is free to start with his b.s.

ARRGH!

Date: Sat Mar 13 2:22 PM, 2004

Karen,

The solution to the problem is simple but just costs some money. We (as a town) need to hire a media consultant just like CC did. We would have to make sure that their connections to the papers are complete and deep as well as making sure that their hacking skills are second to none. Until we do this, we are fighting the "court of public opinion" with one hand tied behind our back.

A Professional Media Consultant on our side - - - that WILL fix the problem.

Date: Sat Mar 13 6:56 PM, 2004

They have removed 75% of my posts - none of them broke any rules that I have read. It has to be one moderator just having a field day with anyone who supports RT and our right to oppose this mega-compound.

I might right a letter to the editors of several papers this week, what is the chance it will go to ink???

Date: Sat Mar 13 7:02 PM, 2004

Kimber,

Unless you have some inside connections, I give your letter about a 1 % chance of seeing any ink - - - in other words, it would take an editorial board mistake for them to print it.

Date: Sat Mar 13 7:24 PM, 2004

Yeah, unfortunately, more than one of us has done that already and to no avail.

What a damn shame!

Date: Sun Mar 14 12:05 PM, 2004

Not long for this world:

1702.2. Gosh Todd,it's the same thing
by divadddot, 3/14/04 12:02 ET
Re: Nope most are fine either way by todddavid, 3/14/04

Todd,I thought by our last conversation you had changed a bit.

I was hoping that you converse with me, and a least show me the respect of a noncanned reply.

I guess I was wrong.

See, all along I have noticed that you seem to repeat the same thing over and over...like it's scripted.

How can you say most in town???

Have you done a census??

You would think that if Most in town didn't care, or where for the project, more of those types would show up at the meetings, or present themselves.

Fact of the matter is that supporters of the church just don't show up anywhere except here on this board, and they do it anonomously, which leads one to beleive the accusation that you , Todd either have something to gain from this or are a hired gun.

These thoughts are only reinforced by the repetive, positive statements you make.

The school starts at the rush hour Todd, and the traffic backs up to a road with a light. A road I beleive you don't even know the name of, because you have not poven your residency in this town.

You know it would be nice if you could prove that you indeed went to the meeting, and actually lived in one of the areas that will be affected by the traffic.

If you showed yourself, we could at least give some consideration to your statements, but what is happening is that the opposers believe you are a plant for the church.

Because no-one in their right mind that lives here could be saying the things that you do.

It would be nice if this debated didn't have so much deception in it.

But I guess when you are trying to buy up a town, or when you are defend your town, people resort to desperate actions.

Date: Sun Mar 14 12:11 PM, 2004

1699.1.1.1.1.2.1.2.1.1.1.1. overlooked School traffic
by divadddot, 3/14/04 11:23 ET
Re: Zero new by todddavid, 3/14/04

Hey Todd....Seems like the debate has begun again.You said: "some more traffic on sundays but less during the week that a company would cause."

You failed to realize that the school will bring in a minimum of 300 cars with children ( and that is 2 way traffic twice each day) plus another say 100 teachers and support personnel for the school.

Also, the Rev. has stated that this is a 7 day a week facility, and that it will be used each and every day...remember the thursday night rehersal and bible study classes??

This traffic seems equal to the number of cars HP had....and a more concentrated traffic pattern.

Date: Sun Mar 14 1:10 PM, 2004

1706. Todd accused of deletions
by divadddot, 3/14/04 13:03 ET

Todd,Now I am certain that it is indeed you deleting these messages.

Know how I know???

Well…Friday night, you were supposedly out at the movies (you told me in a previous conversation on this board). While what you were doing really does not matter, what was not happening on this board is my evidence.

We were here at the NJ.com board, and were conversing suprisingly without fear of our notes being deleted. It was a refreshing and surprising free flow of exchanges.

None of our posts were deleted until late the next day, curiously after YOUR name and YOUR messages started arriving. Those posts that defended and either cleared things up or cast positive light on the opposition of Christ Church, have been deleted, thus eliminating the defense of certain points that where brought up, and thus putting a spin on those issues.

Now, this morning with you present, after a simple pleasantry with another person, which merely mentioned the life span of a thought opposing yours, and after I replied to that note….. within 30 seconds they are both deleted.

Coincidence????… I think not.

Todd, you have proven to me that yes, you are indeed on the shady side of things, and part of a scheme by an organization that is not worthy of trust.

You are either an employee of NJ.com and NJ.com is on the take, or you are an experienced media-consutlant/PR person with the ability to hack this website and spin the public opinion in the direction your employer wishes.

Either way, you, and your employer are doing sleazy work.I believe your cause will not only be defeated, but your deceitful scheme will also be exposed.

I do hope you surface, and show yourself one day, so we can at least see the face, or faces that use the name “todddavid”.

If my screen-name or IP has not been blocked by you or one of your cohorts, and I can get this post up, I do believe it will be deleted quite hastily.

In that event I will cross-post it, for the record, on a site that does not delete it’s messages.

Date: Sun Mar 14 1:14 PM, 2004

Holy crap! I was typing a reply to your post, divadddot, and before I could post it, yours was deleted.

PREVIEW This is how your message will appear.

Shameful by mrsstark953, 3/14/04

...it is indeed a shame that the day and age has come where a church is associated with sleazy behavior.

But I guess that's the way of things on many religious fronts nowadays so why should this be any different.

Date: Sun Mar 14 1:22 PM, 2004

Hi Ms.Stark,
I did not expect that message to last.
We did have fun Friday night....
Where you there?
I still like the poem that someone wittier than I wrote, and poor whiney wendy...(Not mine either...but I do bow to the person with the wit, who will remain nameless)
Mark

Date: Sun Mar 14 1:26 PM, 2004

Hey mark--I was urlameo. It was fun while it lasted.

Todd's hand in this is obvious because our messages are deleted and we're blocked from posting (they block my IP so I can't even create a new screen name).

Then Todd gets to work, posting his made-up opinions, knowing no one will be able to rebut his nonsense.

It really is infuriating!

Date: Sun Mar 14 1:46 PM, 2004

1702.2.2.1. You make up some good 'facts'
by JustFactsCC, 3/14/04 13:43 ET
Re: Nope most are fine either way by todddavid, 3/14/04

Wow, lots of ignorant 'facts' to dispell.

"Sorry, But when people keep trying to make this more then it is, people have to speak up."

You are right about that Todd. This is just a "simple land deal" as you have said many times. Just a simple deal to build a 3000 person chapel, 1000 seat hall, 75 classroom (hasn't been changed yet) 500 person school, 1000 extra parking spaces. All very simple indeed.

"The meeting size is telling the story most of the people who checked out the first meeting are gone."

Sure - many came to the first meeting - including about 100 from Christ Church who no longer show up. People wanted to see the system in action. People also do not want to go to three hour midweek meetings that get them home at 11:30PM. Besides, the traffic from the 300-400 people leaving on that one lane is murder!

"Like I said the people I have talked to say they are fine either way and the meetings drawing less and less seem to prove that."

I assume you are talking about your puppet handlers from Christ Church, is that correct? Please try talking to REAL Rockaway Township residents. You know, the ones who have names. Lets see you get some of those people you talk to to come to a meeting to ask a question and show their support. Where are they?

"I would say the same if a temple,company or school wanted the site it is very big and people know it was sale for years."

Because it was for sale for years is no reason to allow someone who is too big for the location to come in. Unless of course, you want that section of town destroyed (over-run by traffic).

"Just dont want us the taxpayer to be stuck in court if the law is not followed."

Stick to the law Todd. The law does not care what you think. The law will be followed. Sorry if the law costs money to follow. It is just a way of life.

"If the board finds a legal way to deny them most people in town would be fine with that also."

Which town are you speaking of. Most people in Rockaway do not want to see this resort built in our backyards. I guess you must be talking about your friends in Montclair, Newark, and / or East Orange, correct?

"Just want peoples and groups right to buy land and have the law followed respected"

Gee - has anybody asked you this before. Which law has been broken Todd? Which law is VORT asking to be broken Todd?

Date: Sun Mar 14 1:54 PM, 2004

1702.2.2.1.1. forgot to add...
by JustFactsCC, 3/14/04 13:51 ET
Re: Nope most are fine either way by todddavid, 3/14/04

Yes, the first meeting drew 1200 or so.

The next 3 meetings have ALL drawn 300-400...nothing is dropping. People came to see the 'show' at first.

Now a steady group shows up giving much from their personal life to attend.

Will you claim VORT supports is dropping this summer when the attendance drops (as it must in summer)/

Date: Sun Mar 14 2:01 PM, 2004

Maybe we have some hints as to who this person is. It has been indicated that this person was not online on Friday Night. As a Jew, I can tell you that the Orthodox amongst us will not "work" during the Sabbath (Shabbos). The Sabbath begins on Friday night at Sunset and runs til the following night 18 minutes after sunset. Being a "media consultant" during Shabbos is not kosher. Why do I bring this up?

If this precise pattern is followed every week by the suspected indivudual, then the person is quite likely Jewish and Orthodox. If the Media Consultant that was hired by CC is Jewish, then there is a fairly high probability that Todddavid is the same person. Also, please note that David is a Hebrew (bris) name. Please note that my inferences are not deductively correct, but inductively probable if this information falls into alignment.

Anyone know the name of the CC Media Consultant? Is it a Jewish surname? For example, mine is "Maier" which is.

And please do not tell me that my remarks are antisemetic! Re-iterating, I am a somewhat observant Jew myself. I am just not "Orthodox." I mean nothing disparaging to my fellow Jews by making my observations here.

Date: Sun Mar 14 2:20 PM, 2004

I don't know if the shabbat thing works here...cause those messages were deleted before "Havdalah" (The end of the sabbath) Saturday.

It may have been better termed that working on sabbath or being in voloved with any technology is not "sabbath observant".

I know that you mean well, and you are dedicated to the opposition of the Churches move here.

We all don't want to taint this board, and our cause...I am thankful Craig that you added your disclaimer at the end of your last post..because one could percieve written words a lot differnetly a spoken conversation.

We all know that this is neither a religious or racial conflict.

Date: Sun Mar 14 2:47 PM, 2004

Mark,

I agree. If the posts were deleted before Havdalah, this theory does not work. I did not realize this factor.

Craig

Date: Tue Mar 16 6:45 AM, 2004

1702.2.2.1.2.1. Why are you so angry Todd
by JustFactsCC, 3/15/04 21:18 ET
Re: Nope most are fine either way by todddavid, 3/15/04

Why are you so angry that you feel you must keep having my response deleted. I will repost it for all to see. Please tell us what you FEAR that you do not want honest and open debate, but deletion of all those who oppose your bosses at Christ Church?

Why do you think I need to relax? The fact is, you show so much anger and hatred that it spews out of you. You are so blinded by your own anger and hatred that you think EVERYING ELSE is angry and hates. Sorry, it is only you.

"I have said many times I wish the church had reached out sooner."

The fact is that they did not reach out at all. The concessions they are offering are late and miniscule. The fact is, nobody but you and your boss cares what you think.

"If a company bought the land that would be fine too,just think it would cause more weekday traffic as was written in a daily record article."

Please give the facts and reference the article that states a company would have more traffic than a 500 person school with drop-off and pick-up plus church offices plus everything else the church offers plus the weekned MOB SCENE plus extra holiday traffic. There will be many more cars going to a Christ Church campus than any company would ever generate. THAT IS WHY THEY NEED AN EXTRA 1000+ parking spaces.

"Please remember this is a legal matter and the rule of law is all that will be used to settle it."

Please sir remember that this is rule of law and everyone is following the law. You constantly make veiled accusations of law breakers. Why do attempt to mislead so much?

"So dont worry about the debate here or the small crowds the meetings are now drawing."

Please sir, the facts. Small crowds...I like that. An oxymoron. Very fitting coming from a ...well, I won't say the word because you will accuse me of anger...The crowds are SO SMALL that the meetings are being held in the high school auditorium. I still like that...Reminds me of the George Carlin skit about jumbo shrimp...How do you have a jumbo shrimp. 350-400 people is a nice sized audience. Not small at all.

"But anger and emotion are not the way to settle this"

So PLEASE stop showing all your anger and hatred.