March 21, 2005 - Copeland 8pm - The "All Opinions are Welcome, but Sorry no Instigators" Board

BR · Status: Offline

RE: March 21, 2005 - Copeland 8pm

Rational · Status: Offline

I am glad that I am not the only one that noticed that!

ChuckM2005 · Status: Offline

No I dont. Thats why I also said that in my opinion the only acceptable choice is to not let them into this town at all. Regardless of what they promise or agree to now, we will have little or no control over what happens later on after they are in. If we ever tried to shut them down for accomodating an overflow crowd, we would be in court quicker than we could say RLUIPA. We have already seen enough misrepresentations and heard enough mistatements. I think we need to start a campaign of buttons and advertisements that say, "JUST SAY NO TO CC".

JohnQ · Status: Offline

It is time for the DEP to invoke the null and void clause - this is the only way this circus is going to be stopped in my opinion. The only way for Rockaway to come out of this nightmare clean is for the state to do the right and legal thing - shut this down cold. No lengthy court battle, no negitive press (raggard) pointing the finger on us...I do not see how our board can continue with this charade until the courts force the DEP into a decision, one way or the other.

Rational · Status: Offline

Quoting JohnQ:

"It is time for the DEP to invoke the null and void clause - this is the only way this circus is going to be stopped in my opinion."

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It will be a cold day in hell before the DEP changes its view on the exemption. I think that you and everyone else in this town better come to grips with the fact that we, and only we here in RT will be able to control our destiny on this. No outsider is going to stick his or her neck out for RT given the politically explosive nature of dealing with a minority owned church.

I have spoken with some other politicians here in Morris county, and none of them that I have spoken with will touch this thing with a ten foot pole. It is a well know situation and problem, but all the other politicians are ducking for cover on this one.

We will all be better off whence we all come to the collective conclusion that

We Are Alone On this One, Folks!

No white Knight in shining Armour is going to come to our rescue. So, lets start dealing with the reality of the situation NOW!

Lisa Salberg · Status: Offline

The DEP need not 'change its mind' - in fact they do not need to 'do' anything. The facts are clear the letter the DEP issued when they granted (albeit incorrectly) the exemption. It states that if the plans are altered from those which were submitted or if there are errors or data ommited then the exemption is null and void. As there have been many changes AND data ommitted and errors in the application - the exemption is Null and Void. The DEP had not been informed by the applicant of the changes - they have been notified by many people now.

Give it time.

Rational · Status: Offline

Quoting Lisa:

"It states that if the plans are altered from those which were submitted or if there are errors or data ommited then the exemption is null and void."

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That is true. However, the law also indicates that it is up to the applicant to inform the DEP of any changes. There is no facility in the law for third parties like RT to inform of changes. Thus, Ireland has, for some strange and queer reason, decided not to inform the DEP of the changes. As far as I can tell, that means that legally, there were no changes, even if the rest of the world may believe that there are.

Repeating: Legally, there are NO changes because ireland has decided not to inform of any thus there are none.

OK?