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Against Rockaways Townships Religion to Enforce the Codes and Subcodes


I have been trying to contact the various individuals in the Construction Department and the Township Administrator, Greg Poff.

It would seem that they do not want to return my calls anymore. I guess they are done with this.

Interestingly, if any of us taxpaying citizens submitted a plan to construct a 1 story addition to our home and it was approved and then we went out and constructed a 2 story addition, there would be hell to pay. And, I do not think a little letter saying that we just will not use the second floor would cut it.

What do you folks think?

Do I detect a double standard here?

Why?

Is it acceptable to everyone to allow the double standard to persist without comment to the pols who run this place?

Rat

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A second underground unused conduit to a sign equates to a second story on a building? Now I'm sure it's quite an eyesore for the moles in the area, but other than that, methinks somebody is tilting at windmills just a wee bit here.confuse.gif

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Fyrral,

It would seem that your reading comprehension capability is limited. Also, your ability to extract concept from example seems to be nil.

I guess that you would say that they can do whatever the hell that they want to do and you are fine by that. Can I do the same?

Besides the double conduits, there is another facet to this - - - the fact that one of the sub-codes in the Township requires electrical specifications for illuminated signage. Had you read comprehensively, you would know that.

That specification has not been provided to RT. This is akin to building something without a plan or specification. So, the real point, fyrral, is that there is a double standard in play here. I guess that you do not care if that is so. Essentially, the way it stands with no electrical specification, there are no bounds to the illumination that he can use. I guess that is why the town fathers wrote the sub-code requiring sign illumination components to be fully disclosed and carefully specified.

Just do not try violating the codes and sub-codes yourself. It will not be tolerated by the officials, because you are a white guy who just lives here.

Rat

ps - trust me - - - if you or I installed a second conduit, you and I would have to answer for it and rip it out. Obviously, certain churches are excluded from the law and that is the point of this exercise. It has nothing to do with windmills, but more to do with the hot air comming from the township construction department. It also establishes a precident (a legal term that you may have to look up to understand).





-- Edited by Rational at 12:43, 2009-01-15

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As moles are closely related to rats, I have some level of empathy for your position. I mean with all the BIG issues involved with this project, how could anyone ever overlook or excuse an extra underground conduit? Perhaps we should request a special investigation? I'm sure the FBI or the CIA or even the office of homeland security has a special extra conduit task force. I mean think of it, besides the fact that CC committed such a terrible act, I suppose an empty underground conduit could be used by the Chinese or the Iranians to smuggle in an invasion force or something. It's no small wonder the township officials have not returned your calls, this crisis is obviously well above their pay grades.
Oh, and thanks so much for the condescending rhetoric there Don Quixote, I think it helps support my tilting at windmills theory.

-- Edited by fyrral at 14:30, 2009-01-15

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Fyrral,

Thanks for the response - - - I really do appreciate it. It demonstrates to everyone exactly the pea brain that you are. It must be nice to live in a world where you can simply pick and choose what laws apply to yourself and what ones do not.

That is really a neat system that you are living in!

Your posting leaves me with no need to say anything more to you about the purpose of the law and its implications.

Res Ipsa Loquitur

Rat

-- Edited by Rational at 15:17, 2009-01-15

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Oh you silly, petty little man you......yawn.gifno.gifconfuse.gif

A big deal about a minor detail . I really can't wait until they put a windmill on the site. Perhaps we can talk about the pay-per-view rights for your joust! Might as well make a few bucks for the aggrevation, if nothing else.biggrin.gif

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Rational and analytical thinking is not expected to come from a fyrral animal, so we understand your perspective (if one could call it that).

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Wow, since I seem to be the only person not ignoring you( if only for comic relief), I thought you might be happy to have someone to spar with! :)

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Fyrral animals live by the law of the wild. Civilized human beings live by the law of the land.

Now, I do not expect you to understand this, but the fact is that these laws involve something commonly known as electrical safety.

Codes like the NEC and subcodes are desgned to avoid safety problems.

But, animals like yourself, do not have the intelligence to concern yourself with things that you have no capability of understanding or analyzing.

Rat

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Am I to understand that an empty unused electrical conduit could signal Armegeddon?
I'm sorry for not fully understanding the threat.
Please try to understand the not so subtle difference between being rational and rationalizing.

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Of course, you will not understand this because you do not know how to read for comprehension, but there are two parts to my formal complaint. The second part which has been posted several times here on this venue involves the lack of disclosure of the characteristics of the illuminators. A sub-code requires that a sign application includes the number of lamps and the power rating of each bulb so that the conductor sizing can be verified.

Now, everyone else who read this board knows that there are two elements to my formal complaint. But, we all do understand that not much comprehension can be expected from a fyrral animal, nor any concern for electrical safety.

Go back to the lawless wild, my fyrral friend. That is where you belong.

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Nice! Do you per chance iron your socks and hang them in the closet like Felix Unger?

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You really are a pea brain. It is not possible for anyone to lay a conduit and electrical conductors having the proper sizing without knowing first, the electrical characteristics of the load on the circuit. You can not even calculate the size of a conduit until you know the circuit load.

None of that information has been provided to RT. Of course, you have determined that it is completely unimportant.

I offer the following evidence that I know what I am talking about in the form of my resume for anyone who may wonder. It is found at:

http://www.diamondcut.com/Maier/index.htm

Now, fyrral - - - please provide the rest of us with two items:

1. A method of calculation of the conductor sizing sans the branch circuit load parameters.

2. Your resume which will demonstrate your credentials allowing you to be commenting on this situation.

Thanks - - - and bye-bye, idiot.

Rat

-- Edited by Rational at 15:17, 2009-01-16

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One does not need any of that information for an EMPTY unused conduit.....does one? :) And he calls ME a pea brain.

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One does need that information to calculate the sizing of the other conduit which is going to be used.

I am certain that you are the only one here that does not understand that.

You really are as dumb as a stump! What a hoot.

-- Edited by Rational at 17:38, 2009-01-16

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