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New barrier looms for Christ Church

By Rob Jennings, Daily Record

ROCKAWAY TWP. -- The Christ Church case may have moved one step closer to a courtroom showdown Monday night when the township planning board endorsed a proposed zoning amendment that would hinder the controversial mega-church building plan.

The ordinance, introduced by Councilman Eugene Sheninger last Tuesday, would force Christ Church to reconfigure its 304,000-square-foot building plan.

Christ Church, though, could bring a halt to the proceedings by filing a lawsuit in response.

Christ Church spokesman Marc Weinstein declined to speculate on its next move, though a lawyer representing the 5,000-member, Montclair-based church has denounced the proposed ordinance as the latest in a series of tactics amounting to discrimination.

"We will cross that bridge when we come to it," Weinstein said during a break in Monday's 8 p.m. hearing at the Copeland Middle School, the 12th since Dec. 2003 on Christ Church's building plan.

Approximately 120 people were in attendance.





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Planning board chairman Mort Dicker said the ordinance is not singling out Christ Church. Dicker said the ordinance is aimed at tightening standards for houses of worship that the township's planner and others criticized as too vague during last year's hearings.

The ordinance would also implement requirements consistent with toughened state storm-water regulations and the new Highlands law, which strictly limits development in a 395,000-acre preservation zone that includes the proposed mega-church site.

Rockaway Township filed suit last November after the state Department of Environmental Protection exempted Christ Church's building plan from the Highlands law.

"This encompasses many of the different areas," Dicker said of the proposed ordinance, whose approval by the planning board Monday was a formality needed before the council may consider it.

The ordinance, if adopted by the council next month, would not necessarily force Christ Church to shelve its planned 2,512-seat sanctuary or private K-5 school, but it might result in the elimination of a fitness center and reduce the capacity of a 600-seat fellowship hall.

Christ Church would also have to forgo building a parking deck at the 107-acre, former Agilent Technologies site on Green Pond Road.

Audience members showed no reaction as the board endorsed the proposed ordinance. Christ Church's pastor, David Ireland, did not respond.

Ireland, speaking at a church service in Montclair Sunday, vowed to move forward with the building plan and touted the final year of a 3-year, $14 million fundraising drive designed to pay for it.

Both Rockaway Township and Christ Church have retained attorneys specializing in the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA), the five-year-old federal law expected to serve as the centerpiece in any court battle.

Later Monday, testimony resumed from church architect Kenneth Gruskin.

The board's inquiry was less intensive than at last week's hearing, when Dicker scolded Christ Church for submitting what he deemed incomplete information.



Rob Jennings can be reached at rjenning@gannett.com or (973) 989-0652.

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More whining from CC and yet again no action.  Did you see the part where they claim protecting the earth is some how discimination against them?!?


Now they say that they will decrease the quality of traffic flow so much they will not only have to add a traffic light at the Agilent site but change all the timing at the lights down by 80.  They said that the traffic will be so bad at 80 and Morris Ave they will have to do something about it.  They also said it was going to get very bad at Sanders Rd.  I hope you WML folks get your neighbors out to the meetings in greater numbers!


 


I had a good laugh when the traffic guy said they used Faith Fellowship as a model  - have you seen the picutures of the 'overflow parking' at their model??? Check out the Voices site for great photos of a typical day at Faith Fellowship!


 


 


 



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http://www.voicesofrockawaytwp.org/pages/3/index.htm


I am so not impressed with these people.


In what respect, exactly, is the CC application similar to the Sayreville Church? Not many relevant aspects I can think of...



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I’ve got to hand it to Blob Jerkins...he can attend less than half a meeting and crystal ball the entire thing into a story that long.

He's the kind that must have learned well in college how to party and still get passable grades, filling up 500 word term papers using phrases like "very, very, very much" gee...there is 4 word...only 496 to go.

What a hack.

I wonder if he gave dooty a ride home?

As a side note, I was happy to see that there traffic expert admitted the degradation at rt 80 to a failing level, but if they altered the timing of the lights if would be at a "D" level which was the line between frustrating and gridlock.
So their paid witness admits traffic problem. HMMMM is that not one of things we have been talking about???

Next, do you think the PR spin machine will claim that the lights in Rockaway are racially biased?

I can hardly wait to see our guys cross examine this, and I'm hoping some of the residents from "Meridian" Ave (that is what their expert called the street....a traffic expert that cant read a street sign...pretty funny huh?) area get up and grill this guy, and the board, now that they have the opportunity.

We should look into group hotel rates and bus chartering for the trips to Washington and the eventual supreme court hearing....

As this thing drags on it's perfectly fine with me.



-- Edited by Mark B at 08:11, 2005-02-08

Oh..I forgot this little item the traffic expert didn't count..
He did admit there would be more traffic during weekday mornings than Agilent had, due to the school, he said there would be less at PM rush since school lets out at 3pm... So I guess they'll be no after school programs, affairs or PM childcare offered??

Its going to be a tough sell to the parents that they must pick up their kids at 3pm. I had no idea that there were som many single income families that can afford to tithe 10% of their income, plus pay for private school and occasionally dig in and throw in an extra 25, 50, 100 or the suggested 1,000 extra bucks in, since theyd rather not be the "devil".

-- Edited by Mark B at 08:21, 2005-02-08

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Hey rOB - what a pathetic little hack you truly are...the very fact that you give dooty any credit shows what a loser you are...

p.s. - f#ck you...

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I dont know guys. I may have to stick my neck out on this one and voice an apparently unpopular opinion. I thought Rob Jennings did a reasonable job with the story. I think he has to file by 10pm for the following day so he doesnt have much choice there.


Unfortunately he didnt hear the traffic stuff, but then again, its only the beginning on that subject. As far as the traffic guy...he was the first CC witness that didnt sound like a blithering idiot up there. I was impressed. Not only by his professionalism, but by the fact that he didnt lie about his results. Bottom line is we now experience A-B Level (in his terms) traffic on GP Rd. With CC there, we will see C-D level. The important thing to remember is that they ARE ADMITTING A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. They are just claiming that it is manageable and not to the level of total breakdown and gridlock. My position is that I dont want to see ANY degradation. Why should I have to? I have lived here for 30 yrs with HP and Agilent and never noticed ANY traffic. They never needed a light, so obviously CC will be a significant change that I can live far better without.  



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yes, but doesn't cc's right to express their religion trump our quality of life issues???

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Quoting JohnQ


 


"yes, but doesn't cc's right to express their religion trump our quality of life issues???"


 


Irelands answer:


Absolutely!  Now shut your traps, citizens of RT and start to Serve me!!





-- Edited by Rational at 09:58, 2005-02-08

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I went home and thought about the traffic statement about the M-F afternoon traffic.  I believe there may be a problem that was not brought up.  Our schools are letting out at that time of day also.  Won't our buses be impacted??


 


Think about it....



-- Edited by Kim Jenkins at 10:05, 2005-02-08

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No mention was made of after-school care.


Are all those kids being dropped off getting picked up by non-working parents or is the reality that they will mostly be picked up between 5 and 6PM, when most kids in after-school programs get picked up???



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...remember, Rockaway Township has so many needy people that Christ Church felt compelled to drop off toys for our needy children.

I'm sure there must be very few non-working parents available to pick up the children at the private school at 3 p.m. I'm sure all parents in RT work at least one, maybe two jobs. It's a very poor area, as is pointed out on nj.con.

Heck, we here in RT can't even afford to send our needy children to private school in the first place.

CC, please take your school to an area where the people aren't so poor, where they can afford to pay for private education and will be available for 3 p.m. pickup.

thanky!

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