This Sounds like a Threat to Me - The "All Opinions are Welcome, but Sorry no Instigators" Board

Rational · Status: Offline

This Sounds like a Threat to Me

karen · Status: Offline

Craig, for heaven's sake, what's she threatening you with? I've read it three times and don't perceive any sort of "if - then" element.

RTconcern · Status: Offline

Um....you see a threat in that letter? So your not only an awfull bigot, you're also a pathetic, insecure paranoid too!

Craig, in all seriousness. Stop putting down the beliefs of Ireland and his members. One of the great freedoms we enjoy is being able to praise G-d in our own way, free of persecution. As a Jew, you should respect that more than anything. What do you care what someone else thinks? I know there's radicals in the world who hate me for my beliefs, but I'm secure enough in my own beliefs and relationship with G-d that what others think matters nothing.

If this fight is about their religion for you, please leave- go to one of the hate sites. We have no time for that un-American garbage. If it's about a land deal, kindly state facts which defend or refute our stand.

Rational · Status: Offline

Quoting:

"From: Aquarius Subject: I am who I am"

"Something else I've said in previous posts - you're doing a fine job of digging your own grave. It's now extended beyond only your own grave, and now it's also the grave of all of those fine people who are all on the same side of the fence with regards to this Church/Agilent issue. You silly silly person."

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There. If you did not see it then, maybe you will see it now. At any rate it is now documented. We are a bit sensitive to that sort of stuff around here because we have had our lives threatened TWICE before in recent memory - - - and there was no mistake with the language in those two situations. Those threats came here by snail mail in multicolor crayon and written childlike to disguise same. I came home to my wife after she received the first one and she was sitting at our kitchen counter white as a ghost with the first crayon document sitting in front of her. The RT police department thought them to be serious enough that they were sent to the State Police Crime Lab looking for latent fingerprints. They were found but as yet no matches have showed up in the database.

Paranoid - after that situation, you bet. When you get two of these kinds of things in the snail mail with a direct threat on your life (the above situation being quite indirect) you get a bit sensitive to these things, believe us!

The important thing for us is only to be sure that this type of email is made to be quite public and that is what we have succeeded in doing here.

Sorry for so many edits - - - it is BC here (before coffee)

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karen · Status: Offline

OK craig, it's only an expression.

Do you always take everything literally? Surely you can see she's not threatening your life.

Oy, the drama.

Aquarius · Status: Offline

Mr. Rational,

I used the expression solely in the proverbial sense.

Please go to: http://www.geocities.com/informalenglish/G.html to see what I meant in my use of the expression "digging one's grave."

dig one’s own grave(v): to put oneself into a troublesome and unpleasant situation.

It's also referenced on this webpage:
http://www.learn-english-today.com/Proverbs/proverbs.html

I don't know if this is helpful or useful, but I also found reference to it on this webpage:
http://www.jewishmag.com/parsha/oldparshas/viareh.htm

I'm very sorry to hear that you and your wife have been the recipient of actual snail mail crayonings such as you've described.

Quite sincerely, my use of this proverb was not meant to touch such a raw nerve. The purpose of my PRIVATE message to you was solely to tell you PRIVATELY that I am not who you keep (kept) referring to me as (i.e. Mr. Weinstein). The use of the proverb was to help me make my point.

Hopefully this public message will clear up any uncertainties you have about my choice of proverb in the PRIVATE message I sent to you.

Take care and have a nice day,

< handshake? >

- C

JohnQ · Status: Offline

I too recieved a private msg from b - I will not go on about it for now, except to say that ms/mr b has a history of rabble rousing in the past...I will continue to express my take on things for as long as this board remains public. I am going to take Craigs back on his questioning of b's intentions.

Have a great day everyone...

p.s. spare me the typo/dictionary corrections...

Jay R · Status: Offline

From Wayne Magnuson's English Idioms Sayings and Slang:

http://home.t-online.de/home/toni.goeller/idiom_wm/index.htm

Idiom: dig your own grave

Meaning: cause your own failure, cut your own throat

Example: When you criticize the manager, are you digging your own grave?

From http://www.allwords.com/word-dig%20one's%20own%20grave.html

Idiom: dig one's own grave

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dig%20one's%20own%20grave

dig one's own grave

Seriously harm oneself, cause one's own ruin or downfall. For example, If Sam pursues that course, he'll be digging his own grave

Craig - Dealing with you has become almost like dealing with the cc shills at nj.con - having to explain facts to intelligent people as if they couldn't figure them out by themselves. I am sure that someone of your gifted intelligence (You and mister ireland, PhD - both so intelligent that the rest of us must shield our eyes from the brightness of your magnificence). knows exactly what the phrase 'dig your own grave' means. It's an idiom. Please do us all a favor - when you dig your own grave - don't take the town with you.

I am VERY sorry to hear that you have received threats in the past, but clearly, this email was not a threat. As as been stated previously, if you choose to fight the application based on religious grounds, although many people might share your opinion of ireland's teaching, you will stand alone. Use logic - where is the legal basis in denying the applicant on religious grounds - you're fighting a battle that is 100% guaranteed to lose...Sadly, it's statements like yours that make me understand WHY RLUIPA (A horrible law) was felt to be needed.

JR

-- Edited by Jay R at 08:52, 2005-01-04

karen · Status: Offline

In my opinion, Bystander/Aquarius has always seemed pretty level headed, even in the face of intense antagonism.

We may agree or disagree on any subject but personal attacks are uncalled for.

(And I'm not referring to "digging your own grave" as a personal attack either. It's only an expression.)

Kim Jenkins · Status: Offline

Craig,

If you have been harrassed by mail, then wouldn't you think twice about voicing your opinion to the public? (which is based on everything but the facts) Maybe that is why you are getting those types of threats?

Maybe you should just stick to the real issues at hand.

TAXES, ENVIRONMENT, TRAFFIC, INFRASTRUCTURE, ETC. If you do, then only you would recieve rebuttal on those facts, not threats.

Kim

Aquarius · Status: Offline

To: John Q

Rational · Status: Offline

RE: This Sounds like a Threat to Me

ChuckMueller · Status: Offline

Craig-

Just another person's opinion, but I agree that there was no apparent threat. I am sure Carol/Aquarius has no intention of doing you harm and it was simply a coloquial reference. I think others have said worse to you in public postings. I also understand your sensitivity given past history, which I am saddened to hear you experienced, but I think you are safe from her. This all goes to the point I was trying to express on another post. Everyone needs to remember that most of us posting here are on the same side and these petty bickerings back and forth do nothing other than provide fodder for the other side to laugh at our cause. Lets be sure not to cut off your nose to spite your face (and that doesnt mean I am coming to anyone's house with a meat cleaver).

Lisa Salberg · Status: Offline

Many months ago I enganged in a private email discussion with the poster known as Bystander. She told me here name was Carol and shared her views on the project. She was not interested in 'going public' on a message board for very sound reasons. Over the past several months we have had several private discussions using this message board. PRIVATE messages are just that private.

Craig I do not view the note sent to you as a threat in any way shape or form. I have found Carol to be a valuable poster to this site. It is always good to hear peoples opinions and points of view. You can choose to agree or disagree with them but it is valuable to have them all.

I have had many conversations with people over the past year and a half regarding this project. Many of these people are silent supporters of the efforts of Voices of Rockaway Twp, people who are not comfortable speaking publicly, people who are not interested in debating publicly and some who fear those they oppose. Everyone has their own reasons and I for one can respect the views of others.

I disagree with Carol on one issue, I think this board should remain up and running. I do think it can have great value when used responsibly.

Craig you have drawn a line in the sand and everyone can see it clearly. It is clear that you have an intererst in everyone knowing your opinion. It is also clear that when others post you have attacked them for not seeing the world as you do, the world is a big place with many points of view, not all of us agree at all times. I think one thing to keep in mind is that we are all more alike then we are different.

I know that many other readers of this board have shared opinions openly and I hope this continues as it has had great value. Lets all hope that this entire dispute is in the past and that we can move forward with our eyes clearly focused on the matter at hand, the redevelopment of 140 Green Pond Rd.

I hope to see some of you tonight at the council meeting.

Lisa

-- Edited by Lisa Salberg at 12:06, 2005-01-04

Rational · Status: Offline

Chuck,

Maybe you are right, however, as it stands right now there is someone out there who has indicated that my wife and I will be killed. So, threats are only "real" in the mind of the threatened. It is kind of hard to put that thought out of our minds just as it is impossible to put the fear that we feel into your mind(s). Something as simple as turning the key on the ignition becomes a major event! Also, the bibilical reference "I am who I am" I believe comes from Exodus (but I am by no means a Torah Scholar). That statement gives the impression of someone who has total power over everything in its original context.

-- Edited by Rational at 12:33, 2005-01-04

RTconcern · Status: Offline

as$wipe

Rational · Status: Offline

RT Concern:

Warning: Your complete inability to articulate an intelligent thought is showing again. I just thought that you would appreciate the heads up.

RTconcern · Status: Offline

Wow, you didn't even have to edit that post 14 times like you normally do. Well the way I figure it. If we can keep you occupied on this stupid string (much like a monkey and a shiney red ball) it will keep you out of trouble.

Rational · Status: Offline

RT:

Warning: You are now showing everyone that you have the IQ of a pea. Just thought that I would give you a heads up, but I doubt that it will help.

RTconcern · Status: Offline

Gee Daniel,

I never saw a tenant so upset about things said about their landlord. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

Jay R · Status: Offline

quote:
Originally posted by: Rational
"RT: Warning: You are now showing everyone that you have the IQ of a pea. Just thought that I would give you a heads up, but I doubt that it will help."

Craig Daniel,

What do you call someone who continues to argue with a pea brain???

Please, for the sake of everyone in RT, give it a rest already!

Rational · Status: Offline

RT -

$ 3 -##1.1#$ #

fyrral · Status: Offline

Well articulated paranoid bigotry is still nothing more than paranoid bigotry.

The Machiavellian grasping at irrelevant legal straws and attacks against persons and not the project in question would make one a much better guest on The Jerry Springer Show than a spokesperson for his fellow residents.

Self serving rationalizations and sophomoric salesmanship are no substitutes for clear deductive reasoning and honest rational discourse.

Mr. "Rational"........Please go find another windmill to joust, or better yet, just go away.

Rational · Status: Offline

fyrral and others,

Some of you are just real selective about what sort of biggotry you are willing to tolerate. For example, when a denemonation of Christians completely excludes 4 Billion people on this planet from enjoying a meaningful relationship with God, and the possiblity of joining together in Heaven, that is ok. But if one of those persons in the 4 Billion excluded category, (in the case in point a Jew), is offended by that notion, some of you take the position that it is the Jew that is being biggoted. Many of us in this world find the Fundamentalist Christian viewpoint that only they can have a meaningful relationship with God to be a very biggotted and exclusionary perspective.

Your viewpoint is very strange and extremely perverse and bigotted thinking, indeed. And since you have such an exclusionary view towards those "non-believers" on this planet, please defend your stance and explain why 4 Billion people can not enjoy a similar relationship with the Lord; just the born again Fundiamentalist Christians of the world enjoy that priviledge.

-- Edited by Rational at 16:49, 2005-01-07

Mark B · Status: Offline

Craig....

You seem to enjoy ****ing up a rope.

This is not Nazism we are talking about here, it is plain ignorance, and being Jewish I am sure you have had to tolerate your share of ignorance from non-Jews before.

The prostelization and prejeduce programs that many embrace will continue long after we have all turned to dust.

While I am happy to know there are protectors out there like you, I don't think this is the place for you to publicly grind you axe.

Show a little restrain, and stick to the issues that will allow us to win this battle.
Instead of making a spectacle of yourself and embarrassing yourself, put your energies in the right area for us all, because when you do, you actually have some constructive insight, but when you blather and get into cat fights you just look like a crotchety man with too much time on his hands (a little like the greeter at Lowes).

Thanks!
Mark

fyrral · Status: Offline

Rational, I subscribe to NO form of bigotry. It is abundantly clear from your last post that anyone that does not subscribe to your brand of bigotry must be labled a bigot. What a incredibly hypocritical ,paranoid, and irrational thing to suggest that anyone who does not share your intollerant views is a bigot. It smacks of some sort of perverted hybrid of iconoclastic fascism.

Why should it matter what any other religion thinks about one person or four billion that believe another way? All religions do sorta preach there way as the best or only way to the promised land. What does it matter unless they are involved in acting against other people of beliefs in some illegal or bigoted fashion themselves? What does it matter if someone else thinks that your views bar you from paradise,heaven, valhalla......whatever? We mortals don't have the keys to the kingdom.Why not simply agree to disagree? Who is getting hurt? Is this "cult" as your refer to them acting out in anyway to do you or anyone harm, or does their dogma just **** you off?

Switch to de-caf, and contact The Jerry Springer Show, I think you'd be a hit!