Not C1 Streams ??? - The "All Opinions are Welcome, but Sorry no Instigators" Board

ChuckMueller · Status: Offline

Not C1 Streams ???

Rational · Status: Offline

Chuck,

I know that it has been clearly established that these two streams are of C1 designation. After all, they ultimately feed into the Jersey City reservoir in Boonton. I do not remember where I learned that; it was not easy to find. One of the streams (I believe it's called "Beaver Brook") is the conduit between Split Rock Reservoir and Boonton Reservoir. So, the C1 designation is both reasonable and logical.

-- Edited by Rational at 19:03, 2004-11-19

ChuckMueller · Status: Offline

I agree and I am sure that I read it in one of the DEP docs, but I cant find it again. I would like to document it again since it is apparently another instance of the Rev "misspeaking" in a public forum. Based on what the article said, it almost sounds like they are saying that in their publication that was mailed out too.

Rational · Status: Offline

- - - and a good many people will believe Irelands propaganda. That is why RT needs its own "propoganda minister" so to speak.

BR · Status: Offline

I also recall seeing an addendum somewhere on the DEP web site, where these streams where included.

BR · Status: Offline

http://www.nj.gov/dep/gis/depsplash.htm#

Try playing with this interactive map on the DEP site. You will find that the entire property is covered as "Highlands Protected"

Rational · Status: Offline

Another place to look is on the Teraserver. Look at the "topo" map of the area and look at the pathway through which water must flow from Split Rock to the Rockaway River and then terminating at the Boonton Reservoir. You will see two streams confluencing at the Agilent property which feed into that system. Interesting. I do not know the name of the second stream, but one is Beaver Brook which runs from a ravine at the base (or spillover ?) of the Split Rock Dam. The other one runs sort of in parallel with GPR from north to south and then "sums together" at the south side of the Agilent property.

With the caveat that I am not a hydrologist, yet I can not imagine that these two streams and their confluence, do not represent an important element of the Jersey City Water works system. It looks to me like the only way to get water from the Split Rock reservoir to the Boonton reservoir is via this system. Disturbing either of these will influence the quality of water for Jersey City, not to mention one of RT's well fields (also located on the souther portion of the Agilent property).

-- Edited by Rational at 12:04, 2004-11-20

Rational · Status: Offline

Here is a link to the approximate co-ordinates for the streams of interest found on the Terra Server. Please note that this system is zoomable and can also be re-directed on any of 8 points on the compass. By doing that, you can follow the streams under discussion. It is kind of fun and also pretty instructive.

Warning - - - The Terra Server is addictive.

Here is a good starting place:

http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?t=2&s=14&x=170&y=1416&z=18&w=2

ps - if you mess around with the system of images taken from earths orbit, you will be able to find your own residence. I found a very clear image of the maiers residence and can even make out an SUV in their driveway. Kewl!

-- Edited by Rational at 13:13, 2004-11-20

-- Edited by Rational at 13:22, 2004-11-20

karen · Status: Offline

This might help--I don't have the time to investigate but I think this is where I saw the listings:

http://www.nj.gov/dep/cleanwater/c1.html

Greetings from trailer town folks. The house should be done in another NOTHER two weeks.

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ChuckMueller · Status: Offline

Thanks Karen. That was it! NOTE:
http://www.nj.gov/dep/cleanwater/c1_waters_list.pdf

Table 3:

"BEAVER BROOK, (Meridan) - From Splitrock Reservoir Dam downstream to Meriden Road Bridge - Classification: FW2-TP (C1)
Tributaries - (Meriden) - Two tributaries located approximately tree quarters of a mile southwest of Meriden - Classification: FW2-TP (C1)"

"Hibernia Brook - (Marcella) - Source to first Green Pond Road bridge downstream of Lake Emma - Classification: FW2-TP (C1)
Tributary - (Lake Ames) - Source to, but not including, Lake Ames - Classification: FW2-TP (C1)"

I dont know how you can dispute that on the DEP's own website.

Beaver Brook also appears on the original list of waterways nominated by public groups to the DEP as C1 which, I guess, predates the DEP's final classification. I also cant imagine too many waterways, located in the "core" of the Highlands area that wouldnt share in the C1 classification.

Lisa Salberg · Status: Offline

I have been doing a little research and here is what I have found/figured out.

1. CC thinks that they do not have to recognize it as c-1 because they have an exemption.

2. It is a C-1 water way.

3. NEW legislation (assembly 1302) will clear this up in the next few days - it is C-1 and will require the 300 foot buffers regardless of how CC would like to twist the law.

4. Try again CC.