Status of Remediation - The "All Opinions are Welcome, but Sorry no Instigators" Board

Date: Sat May 29 9:22 AM, 2004

Status of Remediation

Date: Sat May 29 12:04 PM, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by: rockres23yrs
"I was wondering if anyone has any information on the status of the remediation of the Agilent site. I remember reading a while ago on the nj.com site that preliminary studies indicated large amounts of contamination at the site and that further studies would follow to determine the extent of the contamination.

Read that on nj.com? Please post the link to the article - or was it in the forum?

Does anyone know when those studies will occur and if the results will be made public? It would be interesting to know: 1. how much time the remediation would take,

A few years.

2. how much it would cost,

Agilent will be paying the cost, so does it matter?

3. if it could be done without risk to the town water supply or general site environment,

There's always a risk of additional contamination. Maybe RT should have thought twice before letting a company locate there in the first place. Wisdom would be not to let ANOTHER company in there. A church should pose no threat, though.

4. if it makes more sense to condemn the site and monitor it.

If RT condemns it, then RT would assume responsibility for the clean-up. That would be a bad idea. Let Agilent foot the bill. Then the sale to CC goes through and the area will be free of toxic waste for quite some time.

Any information about this is appreciated. "

Date: Sat May 29 1:59 PM, 2004

Dear toxic,

Someone posted it on nj.com. It wasn't from a newpaper article.

The cost matters if it exceeds the market value of the property. In this case it would possibly make more sense to simply monitor it. This is especially true if disturbing the contamination might result in polluting the town's water supply. Saying the town should have thought of it before letting a company own it is not productive. Most companies don't pollute their properties whereas the megachurch will absolutely create traffic and other problems.

Does anyone know when we may have some facts about the extent of the pollution and if the information will be made public? It seems that this knowledge could be a prerequisite for the town condeming the property to protect its water supply. This might make sense depending on the details of the contamination.

Any information is appreciated. Thanks.

Date: Sun May 30 11:21 AM, 2004

There's always a risk of additional contamination. Maybe RT should have thought twice before letting a company locate there in the first place. Wisdom would be not to let ANOTHER company in there. A church should pose no threat, though.

3000 cars parked on many, many, acres of brand new impervious cover should pose no risk? yeah right. The cars from the church will pose more of a risk than any company because there will be more cars AND more impervious cover / runoff.

Date: Sun May 30 11:38 AM, 2004

Cars ,Smars. The first step in building anything is excavation. You think digging might disturb those nasty chemicals? Just a Little?

Date: Sun May 30 1:41 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: The monster under the bed
"Cars ,Smars. The first step in building anything is excavation. You think digging might disturb those nasty chemicals? Just a Little? "

No excavation comes until the chemicals have ALREADY been removed, Monstah. You've proved a bit more inciteful than that in other posts. What happened this time?

And for the others here worried about "run-off" from CC members: Don't worry, the black stuff doesn't wash of their skin when it rains. Unlike with Agilent, there'll be no contamination with CC.

Date: Sun May 30 2:28 PM, 2004

The cars of 25,000 church members do not leak:

Ethylene Glycol?

Transmission Fluid?

Brake Fluid?

Engine Oil?

Gasoline?

Axle Grease?

90 Weight Differential Oil?

Power Steering Fluid?

Air Conditioner Compressor Lubricant?

Brake Shoe powder (asbestos)?

Is it that their prayers are much more well received than that of the rest of us? My car(s) certainly have leaked or dissipated all of these things at one time or another over my lifetime. I suppose that I have not been so blessed as these folks, I guess. Maybe I need to join the church instead of keeping an automotive mechanic in my life.

What another joke! Shape Up!!

Date: Sun May 30 5:11 PM, 2004

Mr. or Mrs. Toxic, Its monster not monstah. Inciteful, Thats not my intention at all. But for your information I was late for a monster gathering and in haste neglected to think. And your right of course they will clean it up. But before you get that warm and victorious fuzzy feeling. You should go back and check what was said about that cleanup, that it could and I repeat could do more HARM then good. Please go check, if you look back in this very forum there is a link to that information.

Date: Mon May 31 6:58 AM, 2004

That was my original point. If the cleanup could do more harm than good, the prudent thing to do may be to condemn the property and monitor it.

If the cost of doing the cleanup in a manner that would eliminate the risk of polluting the town's water supply ( if this is even possible) exceeds the value of the property, the town should simply condemn the property and save Agilent some money (while protecting our environment).

Is any information concerning the specifics of the contamination available? Also, when will it be available and will it be made public?

Date: Mon May 31 7:02 AM, 2004

PS. I believe that information concerning environmental liabilities are disclosed in Annual Reports to Stockholders and SEC Forms 10-K and 10-Q if Agilent is a publicly held company. That may be one way of getting information. Hopefully there are other, more comprehensive ways. Any thoughts?

Date: Mon May 31 7:19 AM, 2004

Here is the post, But even farther back this was discussed, and I found a link to the information. When time allows I will look further.

quote:

Originally posted by: Poster
"2135. New to board... by SandraZ1, 5/16/04 18:43 ET I worked at Agilent for 8 years - I left a few months before they closed up the building for good. I was in touch with those on the west coast in the real estate department. There was no big effort to sell the building. In fact did you ever notice there was never a "for sale" sign on the property? This was a s direct order from CA. I never understood why they did not make the fact we were closing up "public" with in the local community. I do know that one company did have a serious interest in purchaing it back around the spring/summer of 2002 - they were sent away as I was told "they had someone in the wings with a contract". I also know there were several other companies sent away. Therefor the posts about "nobody wants the property" is just not true. I am sure other HP/Agilent people know what I am talking about. Re the chemicals on the property - the dumping happened ALL over 15 years ago. Remediations have been made - I should know I filed a ton of paperwork on it. The DEP has records of everything - go check. I am suprised nobody has mentioned the law suit against HP/Agilent from Rockaway Twp a few years back - did you know that Agilent contaminated the water for all those on public water in Rockaway and had to fix the problem?? The fix they did will be UNDONE if more parting is added to the property. THERE I SAID IT ALL - I have been bustin to get that out for months! I feel better - thanks! » Forums Help » User Agreement » Privacy Policy About Us | Help/Feedback | Advertise With Us Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement. Please read our Privacy Policy. © 2004 NJ.com. All Rights Reserved. "

Date: Tue Jun 1 10:29 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: The monster under the bed
" Here is the post, But even farther back this was discussed, and I found a link to the information. When time allows I will look further. quote: Originally posted by: Poster"2135. New to board... by SandraZ1, 5/16/04 18:43 ET I worked at Agilent for 8 years - I left a few months before they closed up the building for good. I was in touch with those on the west coast in the real estate department. There was no big effort to sell the building. In fact did you ever notice there was never a "for sale" sign on the property? This was a s direct order from CA. I never understood why they did not make the fact we were closing up "public" with in the local community. I do know that one company did have a serious interest in purchaing it back around the spring/summer of 2002 - they were sent away as I was told "they had someone in the wings with a contract". I also know there were several other companies sent away. Therefor the posts about "nobody wants the property" is just not true. I am sure other HP/Agilent people know what I am talking about. Re the chemicals on the property - the dumping happened ALL over 15 years ago. Remediations have been made - I should know I filed a ton of paperwork on it. The DEP has records of everything - go check. I am suprised nobody has mentioned the law suit against HP/Agilent from Rockaway Twp a few years back - did you know that Agilent contaminated the water for all those on public water in Rockaway and had to fix the problem?? The fix they did will be UNDONE if more parting is added to the property. THERE I SAID IT ALL - I have been bustin to get that out for months! I feel better - thanks! » Forums Help » User Agreement » Privacy Policy About Us | Help/Feedback | Advertise With Us Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement. Please read our Privacy Policy. © 2004 NJ.com. All Rights Reserved. " "

Posted on a message board and you take it as gospel? Come on, monstah!

Date: Tue Jun 1 10:44 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Craig Maier
"The cars of 25,000 church members do not leak: Ethylene Glycol? Transmission Fluid? Brake Fluid? Engine Oil? Gasoline? Axle Grease? 90 Weight Differential Oil? Power Steering Fluid? Air Conditioner Compressor Lubricant? Brake Shoe powder (asbestos)? Is it that their prayers are much more well received than that of the rest of us? My car(s) certainly have leaked or dissipated all of these things at one time or another over my lifetime. I suppose that I have not been so blessed as these folks, I guess. Maybe I need to join the church instead of keeping an automotive mechanic in my life. What another joke! Shape Up!! "

Just replace the words "church goers" above with the words "Mall Customers" and you will see that Rockaway Township doesn't really care about all the polutants that you mentioned, as they are allowing more and more cars to come into Rockaway Township as the mega-mall grows and grows. Target, Walmart, bigger and bigger it gets. How many parking spaces are there going to be over there when it's all done (will it ever be done)? Are there 10,000 spaces there now? How high will it go? 20,000 ? 30,000 ?

Hmmm, with all these people converging on the mall every day, you think there'd also be a worry of increased crime, you know, that logic was already offered as the reason to fear the increase in people that CC would bring. It had nothing to do the color or their skin, remember? It was the VOLUME of people that would cause the problem. I think there's going to be quite a bit more VOLUME around the Mall in the coming months. Oh, I get it, church members must somehow create more crime than mall customers! LOL!

OH, and wait, how in the world will the RT fire and police departments handle all of the emergencies created by ALL THOSE PEOPLE??? Won't they have to hire more police?

It's so laughable that the opposers are whining about all these supposed problems of CC on the one hand, while on the other hand they are causing these same problems a few miles up Interstate 80 with the non-stop expansion around the mall! LOL!

Date: Tue Jun 1 11:58 AM, 2004

I did not know that the town well was located at the Mall. I thought that it was located on the AGILENT SITE! Hmmm. Ach, but who cares. Any real man should be able to drink Ethelyne Glycol for breakfast no problems.

Date: Tue Jun 1 12:03 PM, 2004

Let me think. does Green Pond Rd have 2 or 3 or 4 lanes and lights and turn off's? Are there numerous ways to get up Green Pond Rd? Or is there just one way?

Date: Tue Jun 1 12:06 PM, 2004

Am I wrong, but aren't taxes being paid by this growth at the mall? Am I wrong, but are there no taxes being paid for the growth that CC plans at Agilent?

Hmm, I see the similarities!

Date: Tue Jun 1 12:56 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Hmm 2
"Am I wrong, but aren't taxes being paid by this growth at the mall? Am I wrong, but are there no taxes being paid for the growth that CC plans at Agilent? Hmm, I see the similarities!"

Woopsie! You forgot that taxes are irrelevant to the decision makers.

And you're right, with taxes, they are not that similar, but take that issue away (as I just did) and you begin to see the similarities.

Date: Tue Jun 1 1:00 PM, 2004

"Maybe" you have never visited these two locations in your life...no comparison as to infrusruture support. Going by your logic, should we just pave the rest of RT becouse the mall exists? Or "maybe" we should investigate moving all the fresh water from under 140 GPR because you think a Mega-Resort fits nicely at that site.

"Maybe" you are just an a-hole...

Date: Tue Jun 1 1:03 PM, 2004

Why not put the church at the mall. There's plenty of space. The roads are better. More accessible. And whatever damage is being done to the environment at the mall will not be blamed on the church.

Date: Tue Jun 1 1:05 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Hmm
"Let me think. does Green Pond Rd have 2 or 3 or 4 lanes and lights and turn off's? Are there numerous ways to get up Green Pond Rd? Or is there just one way?"

Let me drive up there and check. Yep, I see 4 nice big lanes on GPR for a mile up, then turns into 3 for another mile, then 2 for about a stones throw.

And here's a bit of information that apparently you were unaware of: They have this great new invention, it's call "machines". With these "machines" they are able to actually build new roads and widen existing ones. Here's another word for you: Progress. It's what happens when people move to an area an need their needs met. So "progress" brings in roads and stores and electricity and flush toliets. And yes, the environment must be carefully monitored when these changes are made. And it will be. If you don't like progress and prefer to live without the modern conveniences of Best Buys and Targets and Home Depots then there are MANY MANY places that you can move to. Most of them are not in NJ, but head west and you'll find VAST amounts of open space. And the land is dirt cheap. And the cost of living is pretty low too. Perfect place for a retired couple to live out there days in serenity for sure.

Go west old man, go west.

Date: Tue Jun 1 1:17 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: TOXIC
" Let me drive up there and check. Yep, I see 4 nice big lanes on GPR for a mile up, then turns into 3 for another mile, then 2 for about a stones throw. And here's a bit of information that apparently you were unaware of: They have this great new invention, it's call "machines". With these "machines" they are able to actually build new roads and widen existing ones. Here's another word for you: Progress. It's what happens when people move to an area an need their needs met. So "progress" brings in roads and stores and electricity and flush toliets. And yes, the environment must be carefully monitored when these changes are made. And it will be. If you don't like progress and prefer to live without the modern conveniences of Best Buys and Targets and Home Depots then there are MANY MANY places that you can move to. Most of them are not in NJ, but head west and you'll find VAST amounts of open space. And the land is dirt cheap. And the cost of living is pretty low too. Perfect place for a retired couple to live out there days in serenity for sure. Go west old man, go west."

I love those who define "progress" as the widening of roadways to hold more cars. Let's see - environmental sensitive area on one side - I guess the widening will have to "progress" to the homes on the other side of the street - some of which may have to be demolished for "progress" to occur. The permanent removal of sensitive land - that's called progress too. The permanent paving over of many, many acres leading to runoff into sensitive streams- of course, more "progress".

Oh boy - I can't wait until we have enough "progress" to widen and straighten out Meridan, Old Beach Glen, Farber Hill - after all, those roads have not "progressed" enough to allow the 10,000 cars we'll see in a few years.

Date: Tue Jun 1 1:18 PM, 2004

That "stones throw" that you refer to will require the condemnation of 25 houses and businesses for road widening. That two lane stretch is at least 1/2 mile long. Go measure it and count the houses and businesses and note all the cliffrock. Also, it will require blasting of rock because it is all wetlands on the other side of GPR. And if you think bringing a f-uck-ing megachurchness to town is progress, well it is time for us to move west, indeed. I guess one could say that Irvington and Newark and Orange have undergone progress too! ROTFL!

Date: Tue Jun 1 1:27 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Craig Maier
"That "stones throw" that you refer to will require the condemnation of 25 houses and businesses for road widening. That two lane stretch is at least 1/2 mile long. Go measure it and count the houses and businesses and note all the cliffrock. Also, it will require blasting of rock because it is all wetlands on the other side of GPR. And if you think bringing a f-uck-ing megachurchness to town is progress, well it is time for us to move west, indeed. I guess one could say that Irvington and Newark and Orange have undergone progress too! ROTFL!"

It's no more than 1/4 mile. Just measured it.

But hey, you'll never admit that you're wrong. So go ahead, call it 1/2 mile and throw in a few expletives to boot! It'll make you feel oh, so, good.

Question of the day:

Can a man who has no control over his own mouth be honestly called "very spiritual"?

Date: Tue Jun 1 1:45 PM, 2004

Sorry bub is clearly a member of CC. Proof is that he or she has no problems passing judgement on the spirituality of others based on such superficialities as the use of the f word. Is that what spirituality is all about with you folks?

Anyway, go back and measure again. You need to measure from the fork all the way to Meriden. Report back please. Also, please count the houses and business's on the left going north that will have to be confemmed so that we can have the Distince Pleasure and Great Honer and Distinctive Priveledge to hold Court for the Distinguished and Reverent Dr. David Ireland, Phd and his wonderful cash generating invention.

Date: Tue Jun 1 1:52 PM, 2004

GPR does have 4 lanes, then 3 then 2 for 10 miles up. Imagine the back up while waiting for 25000 people to come out of the church and make a left hand turn unto GPR.

And just try to widen the road. On one side is down into swamps and the other is up into rock. Sounds like a great idea to me in money, traffic back ups for construction, environmental concerns for a group that don't even call RT their home!

Date: Tue Jun 1 1:54 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Craig Maier
"Sorry bub is clearly a member of CC. Proof is that he or she has no problems passing judgement on the spirituality of others based on such superficialities as the use of the f word. Is that what spirituality is all about with you folks? Anyway, go back and measure again. You need to measure from the fork all the way to Meriden. Report back please. Also, please count the houses and business's on the left going north that will have to be confemmed so that we can have the Distince Pleasure and Great Honer and Distinctive Priveledge to hold Court for the Distinguished and Reverent Dr. David Ireland, Phd and his wonderful cash generating invention."

No judgement passed from here, bub.

Tell us, is it OK with your G-d for you to swear as often as you do?

Simple "yes" or "no" will do.

Date: Tue Jun 1 2:07 PM, 2004

How much I swear and my penalties for it are between me and G-d. It does not involve you and your assanine attempt to judge me. I do note, however, that your group (CC) has no problems inflicting their will on the people of RT despite their unwillingness to support it.

Question to the room:

Is that what your G-d(s) would consider to be Spiritual Behaviour? Irelands G-d obviously has not problems with it whatsoever. In other words, he saw RT and said to himself,

I, Me, My, Mine.

Date: Tue Jun 1 2:12 PM, 2004

It's over .6 miles that would need to be widened in order for this madness to take place. Love to see you throw a stone that far "bub".

Mall vs. 140 GPR - apples and oranges kid...

See ya' in court CC fans!

Date: Tue Jun 1 2:19 PM, 2004

Tell us, is it OK with your G-d for you to swear as often as you do?

Simple "yes" or "no" will do.

Why can't you answer this, Craig?

Date: Tue Jun 1 2:31 PM, 2004

Since our G-d allows us to "kill" I suppose that he would allow us to cuss. But, as I said, only G-d is the judge - - - certainly a nameless idiot like yourself on the internet.

And remember the commandment does not say "Thou shalt not Kill" (as many of you non-denom evangelical fundies out their think!). It says, "Thou shall not commint Murder". Big difference there, friends. Go look it up in the Jewish Scriptures (not the King James Bible!). The First Five books (of Moses) is the source document for this. If anyone wants, they can come over here and take a look in our copy of the Tanakh. The King James is a mis-interpretation of the Hebrew.

Craig