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Originally posted by: Idiots Not
"Most of us are willing to call a horse a horse, but not with a real name attached.  If this thing comes to pass, it will kill this town.  And we all know why.  And we all know EXACTLY why.  Want me to be more specific?  Yeah, ok -   we do not want Newark to be moved to Rockaway Township.  Is that such a crazy non PC idea?  If we wanted to live in Newark (where most of our ancestors came from when they imagrated here), we would sell our places in Rockaway and buy half the town of Newark and move in there.  But we have all moved out here to avoid the Crack houses, Crime, and Crimanality associated with that formally beautiful place. Some of us in our own town would have us think that it is a shame on all of us to think like that!! Just think of our insanity to want to be free of crime, etc. (read sarcism in this) - - - we want and state it explicitely that we want peace and quiet.  We do not want to double our population on G-ds day. We do not want a lot of inner city crime, noise and rap crap and people who live that kind of life disturbing our lives out here. What a totally disgusting concept for anyone to propose, right! (not).  (total sarcasm again!) We can wallow in their smut or keep the smut out.  If we can not keep the smut out, then we can move to where the smut does not surround us.  And that is what will happen.  RT will become another Newark. Basic Sociology 101. "

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The above post is dripping with racism.  CC is in Montclair, not Newark.  The connection seems to be that the congregation is mostly black and so is much of the population of Newark, I guess.  So since they are black, they'll bring crime, crack houses, etc?  Is that the conclusion that's being made?  You gotta call that twisted logic what it is, racism, plain and simple.  And don't even try any crap about "playing the race card".  You just played the whole race deck with that post.

Here's a question for the wise soul who posted that:  CC has been in Montclair for several years.  Has that part of Montclair gotten better, worse, or stayed the same since they arrived?  And what IS the condition of the surrounding area?  Any crack houses in that neighborhood?  What's the crime rate around there? 

Jeez,

A psycho post like that entered at 2 am! fOLLOWED BY PSCHO RANTS AT 3 AM!

A) CHILL

B) CC coming would be a detriment,not the coming of the apocalypse.

C) There is ugliness and racism everywhere in the 4 corners of the globe. It does not represent the vast majority of people,as with Rockaway. By seeing racism in all, I think the only place you need to see the racist is in the mirror.

I believe that your post is proof that it's people who have a particular mentality or lifestyle that many of us would like to avoid moving next to us...not people of a particular race.

Any correlation between race and that sort of lifestyle is purely coincidental, I guess.

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Originally posted by: Craig Maier
"Is it racist for the members of a town or a single person to desire to live in a community free from crime?   

Not at all, Craig.  But are you saying that you believe that the arrival of CC will cause crime to increase in RT?  Tell us why you think that will happen?

 

 

Is there any doubt here by the attendants on this bbs that the inner cities of NJ have a lot more crime than we do here in RT?  Do you folks want it moving out here?  

The crime statistics certainly can't be refuted.  Why is the crime higher in the inner cities?   Is there something different about the people that live there that causes them to commit more crime?

 

 

I do not understand the problem here.  But then again, I am not running for political office!  It looks to me like the earlier poster got it kinda right.  Sorry, but I tend to agree with him or her.

I don't think anybody is surprised that you agree with that post.  The fact that you public admit it now may be causing some anguish for the more reserved opposers, though.

 

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You're about to step in it again Craig.  But even this warning will fail to stop you or make you realize that a retraction is order.

DING DING  - Round Two!

At least this lepoard is showing his own spots. What a small scary man.

Ok, i'm about 5'11' and 250 pounds......wanna wrestle?Better yet, let's play some hockey.....that's my sport.

I  am disturbed by your assumptions of decreased property values and the rise in crime based on your prejudgement of these people and what effect they will have in these areas, and your constant need to articulate bigoted views. Yes, I know that you have also brought some real and relevent information to the debate, but that does not excuse bigoted statements .I oppose the current plans as well, but because of the scope of the project, not the people in it.

Craig, you are an astoundingly ignorant man.  The biggest chance of increased crime in RT when CC moves in will be from hate crimes directed at them from people who think like you.

You know literally nothing about the membership of CC.  Yet you spew your bigotted nonsense - prejudging them criminals, and expecting people not to call you out?  It is not PC - it is your sad truth.  You are a bigot.

CC is made up of

(a) committed christians (not the "I am a christian but haven't seen the inside of a church other than Christmas and Easter in years" type either) - you are of the opinion that committed christians are likely criminals?  (this is beyond even pointing out that the vast majority of Newark residents are not criminals, despite the high crime rate.  There are a huge number of hard working people from there looking to make a life out of tough circumstances)

(b) a huge number (and yes I am speaking from personal knowledge) of doctors, lawyers, business leaders, actors and various other professionals.  The assumptions on this board regarding CC members would be laughable if it did not coincide with all the racism.  The truth is that you are looking at what is a called a high-net-worth congregation.  Does that mean there are not many poor families (some even from East Orange and Newark OH NO!!)?  No, of course there are, and they are welcomed and a vital part of the dynamic membership.  (A welcome that from your posts one can see such folks would not get in RT (I must admit some amusement at a barely middle class town showing the snobbery you are - since most folks (non-CC members )where I come from view RT is a low class bumblecluck town - hey in one business I know the principals live in Mountain Lakes, Morris Township and the secretaries live in RT.   Not a bad thing, just the facts))

Essentially, your bigotry is obvious, your claims absurd.  But what to do?  Nothing.  To be honest I hope you keep proclaiming your bigotry for all to see.  You see, I do not want you to be "politically correct,"  I would rather see the bigot coming.

  Ahh here we go, I have said before racism is human nature, it diguises its ugly head in many forms, Elitism, clanism ,religious bigotry,not to mention economic superciliousness. Don't worry rednecks we will save you for your own good. Set forth the crusade!!!!!

     " since most folks (non-CC members )where I come from view RT is a low class bumblecluck town - hey in one business I know the principals live in Mountain Lakes, Morris Township and the secretaries live in RT.   Not a bad thing, just the facts))"

 You must have us confused with another Rockaway,Rockaway Beach maybe? 

Class:

It looks like you are you bigoted against us folks who happen to be in the lower class. 

Interesting!

Craig

As I have said before, nobody on this board has any right to talk about property value loss like my wife and I have been doing until you have done your homework.  Get a real estate appraisal of your RT property.  You will be VERY UNPLEASANTLY suprised.  If you do not want to go to that amount of trouble, do this:

Call a realtor and ask the following simple question:

"If I sell my Rockaway Township home, will I be able to purchase a comparable home anywhere in Morris county?"

Stop f - uck - ing around with me until you do your homework.  Otherwise, all of you are blowing smoke!

And do not shoot me!  I am just the messenger.

In answer to someone's question from earlier; I don't know anything about the members of Christ Church.

I do recall that they are made up mostly of people from Montclair and the neighboring towns. I don't have a map handy, does anyone know what towns are in the area immediately surrounding Montclair? Thanks!

But indeed my post relates to trash. White trash, black trash, just plain trash. I don't want to live near trash, and I don't want my town influenced by trash. Pretty simple.

And as for "...CC has been in Montclair for several years.  [1] Has that part of Montclair gotten better, worse, or stayed the same since they arrived?  [2] And what IS the condition of the surrounding area?  [3] Any crack houses in that neighborhood?  [4] What's the crime rate around there?..."

Since you brought it up, I'd be interested in any statistics anyone might have to offer on those subjects. Might be enlightening.

Seems like I recall some comparisons of crime, between RT and Montclair and its surrounding towns was done at some point.

I'd be interested in knowing the conditions of the areas these folks live in--because when you bring in 5,000 people to your community for a visit a couple times a week, your community can't help but be influenced in one way or another, by those people.

And what better way to know the nature of that influence, than by seeing how they take care of their very own communities? We could trust they'd care for our community almost as much as they care for their own, I imagine, although they have no real vested interest in this town and no real reason to do so.

It could be very informative. How about some statistics?

I am gonna go way out on a limb here. I believe racism,(remove the hate from this line of thinking) is a survival instinct that still lives in the reptillian part of the brain, delveloped when we crawled out of the oceans.

 If you disagree,thats ok you can buy into that line that its taught to us by our parents or communities. I don't,for example (I am assuming you are white) while attending a broadway play with your wife, a group of black teenagers are making a ruckus on Broadway. Never mind that they are recent graduates of F.I.T. How would you know? But as your wife clutchs her purse tighter to her side and you give her a reassuring squeeze,does the thought cross your mind about why you are having this reaction? Or when cut off on rt 80 do you think to your self, I just slandered a whole culture by saying fookin Indians or Chinese can't drive. How about old people they can't drive either. And teenagers.

 My point is this, by nature a human being is a racist animal. Now I am sure some one far smarter then me will point out that there is no such thing as a racist baby and thats true. But we are a social animal too. Herd mentality,

don't forget survival as a group.

 I am not defending Mr,Maiers position, I am merely pointing out that we all are capable of thinking that way.

 So go ahead and say it, Not ME!, Speak for your self! My best freinds black. Whatever. Have a nice weekend.

And please remember its not about hot dogs and beer, but for the men and women who gave their lives so we remain free.