WHY? - The "All Opinions are Welcome, but Sorry no Instigators" Board

Date: Tue May 18 11:06 PM, 2004

WHY?

Date: Tue May 18 11:14 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: a view from the sidelines
"Would someone please tell me one good thing that would happen if cc is allowed to relocate here? "

You must have been looking for a different thread.

Date: Tue May 18 11:30 PM, 2004

No sir, I am trying to understand what you are bickering about. If nothing good can come from this why are you defending c.c.?

Date: Wed May 19 7:33 AM, 2004

I do not know - - - how about this. Even us Jews get to go to Heaven so long as we tithe his church? Now, there is a good benefit. Other than that, the number of benefits for the town that anyone will be able to annunciate are as follows:

ZERO

Date: Wed May 19 8:06 AM, 2004

Hey contrarians,shills, true believers, I asked a valid question! Mr. Ireland or one of your paid posters should have some thing by now. Just give me ONE positive outcome that your mega business disguised as a church will bring to this community. Please.

Date: Wed May 19 8:41 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: a view from the sidelines
"No sir, I am trying to understand what you are bickering about. If nothing good can come from this why are you defending c.c.?"

My message is that a school is not needed and only that.

Date: Wed May 19 8:50 AM, 2004

Mr Doty your position on a school has nothing to do with the simple question I asked.

Date: Wed May 19 8:54 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: a view from the sidelines
"Mr Doty your position on a school has nothing to do with the simple question I asked."

Sir, you question is off the topic. A school is not needed

Date: Wed May 19 9:01 AM, 2004

Actually, it is the absurdity of the question that causes no responses.

Date: Wed May 19 9:02 AM, 2004

ahh Mr Doty, I started this topic, How could I possibly be off it? If you can't answer the question then don't.

Date: Wed May 19 9:07 AM, 2004

Excuse me thankful, But just what do you find absurd? Didn't your parents teach you that the only wrong question is the one not asked?

Date: Wed May 19 9:13 AM, 2004

I wish I could answer your question. But I have that same question and haven't been able to find an answer.

I have been to all the meetings and Rev/Dr/Mr Ireland has not really answered anything to my satisfaction. He seems as though he skirts the answers. Should this type of answer come from someone who wants to be our neighbor? I had no problem with a church, but since the meetings I feel differently. His demeanor makes him look and sound fake. Even though he wears a collar to the meetings, I have watched his TV programs and he preaches without it. So why the need to wear it to the meetings? and not for preaching? I am heartfelt that I would think this of a man of the cloth, but he gives me no reason to believe anything about his church and what it can do for Rockaway Twp.

Can anyone out there answer the question posted?????????

Date: Wed May 19 9:25 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: greenponder
"Can anyone out there answer the question posted?????????"

Apparently not to your satisfaction. that's the problem We've got vORT supporters that won't accept any views other than the anti church view an church supporters that ardently oppose the voRT supporters. The argument is going nowhere.

But I think we can all agree that a school is not called for, too costly in terms of taxes, traffic, Impact, etc., and if used to block the church, illegal.

Date: Wed May 19 9:29 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: greenponder
"His demeanor makes him look and sound fake. Even though he wears a collar to the meetings, I have watched his TV programs and he preaches without it. So why the need to wear it to the meetings? and not for preaching? I am heartfelt that I would think this of a man of the cloth, but he gives me no reason to believe anything about his church and what it can do for Rockaway Twp. Can anyone out there answer the question posted?????????"

I've seen people wear a cervical collar to a courtroom, only to remove them at home. I've seen people suing for backpain groan and use their hands for assistance when standing in the presence of the jury, yet these same people have no problems getting up when the jury is not present. Appearance is important. Draw your own conclusions.

Date: Wed May 19 9:34 AM, 2004

The man is a Fake, a Phoney, and a Fraud.

Date: Wed May 19 9:57 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: a view from the sidelines
"Excuse me thankful, But just what do you find absurd? Didn't your parents teach you that the only wrong question is the one not asked?"

It is absurd because of where you have posted it. This is a vehemently anti-church bbd, so what answer do you think you would get? The truth? There is little of that to be found here. The real answer is that CC brings all the benefits of any church you may be familiar with, except multiplied by a large factor. Actually, due to its size and the dedication of its members, CC is able to bring many more benefits to the region than the typical small local church. All you need do is look at the quotes from the Montclair leadership to see the appreciation of those efforts.

By asking the question here you are either (a) asking for no reaosn other than to disagree and elicit posts like the ones you see above ("fraud" "nothing" and assorted nonsense like that) or (b) naive to the fact that that is the bulk of what you would find.

Hopefully I am wrong and you were asking seriously, if so your answer is above. If not, I won't be surprised.

Date: Wed May 19 10:07 AM, 2004

You have avoided answering the question. We already have churches and synagogues providing the services that THIS town needs. We do not need any more. So one again the question is:

What benefit does cc bring to Rockaway Township?

Date: Wed May 19 10:09 AM, 2004

The relevent question as to whether this application should be approved or denied is not what good the church will bring to the town, but rather what harm they might cause.The question of what good they will do is simply rhetorical.

Date: Wed May 19 10:10 AM, 2004

Futhermore, If we ran a non-binding referendum on the question of wanting cc to locate here and you discovered that 99.99 percent of the vote was against it (make that assumption) would you folks still be thrusting yourselves upons us?

I can tell you right not that your answer is "YES". That is because you could not care less about this community and its needs. You just want a large nipple to suck on.

Date: Wed May 19 10:18 AM, 2004

Wow, you skated around that very well. Like Diogenes I am just looking for a straight foward honest answer. I have watched the videos of Mr Ireland And Christ Church, frankly they scare me. Please don't try to tell me what the church has done for another community. I want to know specifically about this community. You understand, the one I live in. Thank you.

Date: Wed May 19 10:20 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Thankful
" It is absurd because of where you have posted it. This is a vehemently anti-church bbd, so what answer do you think you would get?"

actually there are both people for and against cc moving to RT on this board...

and it is a free-speech board...not an "anti-church" board or a church opposers board...

Date: Wed May 19 10:21 AM, 2004

Fyrrll , ok I see your point.

Date: Wed May 19 10:26 AM, 2004

It is clear tED is a one trick pony - the BOE will not listen to his rantings and childish behavior so he has to make up lies and twist information to fit his own agenda.

All I can think of is Sally Fields.... tED it aint gonna work..we are NEVER Gonna like you really we are NEVER going to take you serioulsy because you do not make any sense and you are simply just an angry mad seeking the spot light!

Date: Wed May 19 10:30 AM, 2004

Actually, CC has been the ones saying that they will benefit our town by being here. but they have failed to show us how.

Mr Doty, you keep bringing up VORT - supporters, school, etc, that is not the question here. Keep up with the question posted

so to repeat: What will CC benefit to RT?

Date: Wed May 19 10:38 AM, 2004

The above posts prove exactly my point.

Along with providing a dynamic and diverse place to worship, CC provides numerous ministries that are all detailed on its website. These will all be available and beneificial to all who take advantage of them. These are facts. You can (as I predicted you would) deny this, which is no surprise on this board. So, sidelines, the real question is, if all you want to do is bash the church, why start with such an absurd question? Just be a man about it and bash them. You can join Craig in the "good reputation" club.

Date: Wed May 19 10:44 AM, 2004

That is the kind of bulls$i-t that we have come to expect from you folks at cc. A big load of crap. I still want the following question to be answered and not sidestepped:

If we ran a non-binding referendum on the question of wanting cc to locate here and you discovered that 99.99 percent of the vote was against it (make that assumption) would you folks still be thrusting yourselves upons us?

I can tell you right not that your answer is "YES". That is because you could not care less about this community and its needs. You just want a large nipple to suck on.

The fact that you have not directly responded to my query is taken as the answer that I suggested. You are just looking for a nice teat to suck off of.

I shall assume that my answer to your question is YES. We all know that answer is correct. Go away.

Date: Wed May 19 10:54 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: greenponder
"Actually, CC has been the ones saying that they will benefit our town by being here. but they have failed to show us how. so to repeat: What will CC benefit to RT?"

Oh boy, I ask a Question, its called absurd. I say Ireland scares me , I am a church basher, how about you stop skating, and answer greenponder's Question. Instead of directing me to the church's web site? And even if I don't agree with Craigs general outlook, He is correct in noting that the spiritual needs of the community are allready well provided for.

Date: Wed May 19 11:01 AM, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by: a view from the sidelines
" Instead of directing me to the church's web site?

That is where I got my information. You need me to cut and paste the list of programs they run? I am pretty sure you can figure out how to read them yourself no? Add those to the very basic benefit of another option for people. Pretty simple.

And even if I don't agree with Craigs general outlook, He is correct in noting that the spiritual needs of the community are allready well provided for.

This is my point. You did not ask the question to get a real answer. You asked in order to follow up any answer you got by disagreeing. Hence my comment that you should sidestep the bogus question and speak your mind. Apparantly you needed Craig to do it for you. I have given you the real answer and you do not accept it. No wonder you get very little interaction with people who are not opposed to the application on this board. "

Date: Wed May 19 11:06 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Thankful
"The above posts prove exactly my point. Along with providing a dynamic and diverse place to worship, CC provides numerous ministries that are all detailed on its website."

we have plenty of places to worship (14 - i believe the count is) our various religions in town already...and the town/our current places of worship already offer each "ministry" that cc has...

Date: Wed May 19 11:10 AM, 2004

Oh boy Oh boy,

my question is now both absurd and bogus. It is also unanswered.