Concerned Citizens - The "All Opinions are Welcome, but Sorry no Instigators" Board

Date: Tue May 18 8:06 AM, 2004

Concerned Citizens

Date: Tue May 18 8:21 AM, 2004

I don't really want a school either. I really don't want anything that will make my taxes go up anymore than they have. But if I have to choose, I'd rather pay more taxes for something that benefits Rockaway and not 5000+ people who have no ties to the community.

Date: Tue May 18 8:54 AM, 2004

Laughable tED!!! Did you waste your own funds mailing this misguided piece of crap, or did "someone else" help fund it?

Dude - a little paranoid about a school going in at 140 GPR? Newsflash great and powerful tED - this site is polluted - it will not work as a school for us or "someone else".

Get a life tURD...

Date: Tue May 18 9:02 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: tellymark
"I don't really want a school either. I really don't want anything that will make my taxes go up anymore than they have. But if I have to choose, I'd rather pay more taxes for something that benefits Rockaway and not 5000+ people who have no ties to the community."

Our efforts are not connected to church opponents or proponents. We believe the school issue stands on its own. The only tie in is the fact that the Agilent site is one of the three alternatives suggested by the facilities committee.

But regarding your concern, I don't feel wasteful spending speaks well for our community and property values. I'm hoping others see it that way as well.

Ted

Date: Tue May 18 10:14 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Ted Doty
"
Our efforts are not connected to church opponents or proponents. We believe the school issue stands on its own. The only tie in is the fact that the Agilent site is one of the three alternatives suggested by the facilities committee.
But regarding your concern, I don't feel wasteful spending speaks well for our community and property values. I'm hoping others see it that way as well.
Ted "

Except for the fact that you have stated before that you consider Russ a "friend" of yours. We all know Russ is an ardent supporter of CC's Mega-Church construction in Rockaway Township, so we can only assume by association that you feel the same way...unlees you would care to rebute that.

Date: Tue May 18 10:20 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Mark B.
" Except for the fact that you have stated before that you consider Russ a "friend" of yours. We all know Russ is an ardent supporter of CC's Mega-Church construction in Rockaway Township, so we can only assume by association that you feel the same way...unlees you would care to rebute that."

I consider Russ to be a friend but do you have a point?

I'll repost my comment:

Our efforts are not connected to church opponents or proponents. We believe the school issue stands on its own. The only tie in is the fact that the Agilent site is one of the three alternatives suggested by the facilities committee.
But regarding your concern, I don't feel wasteful spending speaks well for our community and property values. I'm hoping others see it that way as well.
Ted "

Date: Tue May 18 1:11 PM, 2004

got the letter...didn't open it...filed it in away...in the trash...

Date: Tue May 18 1:19 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Maria
"got the letter...didn't open it...filed it in away...in the trash..."

Sorry to hear that. But does that mean you agree with me, you think we need a school (if so, why?), or should I place on th undecided list? If you need more info, give me a call.

Date: Tue May 18 1:24 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Ted Doty
" I consider Russ to be a friend but do you have a point?"

Question to Rockaway residents - has anyone seen Russ and tED's cars parked together somewhere? Maybe there's some sort of skullduggery going on! After all, we've all heard tED's accusations against Lisa and Mayor Sceusi! Can there be deeper motives involved?

Date: Tue May 18 1:33 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Parking lot
"Question to Rockaway residents - has anyone seen Russ and tED's cars parked together somewhere? Maybe there's some sort of skullduggery going on! After all, we've all heard tED's accusations against Lisa and Mayor Sceusi! Can there be deeper motives involved?"

Nice try but my concern for the schools, taxes and property value is not connected to my frienships or position on the church. Clearly the school is a bad idea. Even vORT supporters don't see the need to build a school.

Date: Tue May 18 1:39 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Ted Doty
"Sorry to hear that. But does that mean you agree with me, you think we need a school (if so, why?), or should I place on th undecided list? If you need more info, give me a call."

my free time is more valuable to me...than to spend it chatting with you...you don't seem very interested in discussing anything...you just want everyone to agree with you...

furthermore...

i don't have children...so the school is not something that i have spent time investigating...i'm all for providing children with the best level education we can, though...but...like i said...i am not actively involved with the boe...or anything else that goes on with the schools...except donations to the kids when they come around...

i couldn't say one way or the other what is best for the kids or the town on this issue...

Date: Tue May 18 1:47 PM, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by: Maria
" i don't have children...so the school is not something that i have spent time investigating...

Maybe you should. The taxes and traffic will impact us all.

i'm all for providing children with the best level education we can,

Me too but shoudn't we spend on necessary educational expenses?

but...like i said...i am not actively involved with the boe...or anything else that goes on with the schools...except donations to the kids when they come around... i couldn't say one way or the other what is best for the kids or the town on this issue..."

Isn't time you got involved? Give me a call.

Date: Tue May 18 1:53 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Ted Doty
"Nice try but my concern for the schools, taxes and property value is not connected to my frienships or position on the church. "

Ah, but if you choose to put yourself into the public spotlight, you must not give the appearance of impropriety. If you are friends with CC supporters like Russ, you will be viewed as having an appearance of 'meeting with the CC people'. Clearly, this indicates you might have other motives - whether or not they are true, you give the appearance of one who is being used.

That said, I would like to know where you got the money for the mailing? Out of your own pocket? Do you have supporters? Has Russ or any of his friends supported you finanacially? All good questions that Rockaway Township residents have a right to know, now that you've chosen a spotlight position for yourself.

Date: Tue May 18 2:02 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Concerned Citizen
" Ah, but if you choose to put yourself into the public spotlight, you must not give the appearance of impropriety. If you are friends with CC supporters like Russ, you will be viewed as having an appearance of 'meeting with the CC people'. Clearly, this indicates you might have other motives - whether or not they are true, you give the appearance of one who is being used. That said, I would like to know where you got the money for the mailing? Out of your own pocket? Do you have supporters? Has Russ or any of his friends supported you finanacially? All good questions that Rockaway Township residents have a right to know, now that you've chosen a spotlight position for yourself."

Sorry, but RT residents have no right to know anything of the sort.

Unless Ted is declaring 501 c3 status, all those questions are irrelevant.

Date: Tue May 18 2:08 PM, 2004

I could not throw that in the trash. Our trash is way too good for that. I found that it made a very good liner for the Kitty Litter.

Craig

Date: Tue May 18 2:16 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Concerned Citizen
" That said, I would like to know where you got the money for the mailing? Out of your own pocket? Do you have supporters? Has Russ or any of his friends supported you finanacially? All good questions that Rockaway Township residents have a right to know, now that you've chosen a spotlight position for yourself."

Sure, no problem. We are not, nor will we be incorporated. We are truly a grass roots organization that used private funds.

Interestingly however no concerned citizens demanded a full accounting of the three most recent school board elections...but I don't want to open that can of worms again.

Private funds from private individuals most of whom wish(understandably) to remain anonymous. paid for the mailing

Date: Tue May 18 2:24 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Craig Maier
"I could not throw that in the trash. Our trash is way too good for that. I found that it made a very good liner for the Kitty Litter. Craig"

And we know that you are very familar with trash, Craig, since that is what flows most easily out of your mouth.

Date: Tue May 18 2:55 PM, 2004

Actually, that would depend on your perspective on things, would it not?

Date: Tue May 18 3:43 PM, 2004

Maybe you should. The taxes and traffic will impact us all.

i'd be willing to pay taxes to a town serving school...traffic - to some extent -will happen with any establishment that moves in...i am not willing to pay taxes to aid a church that does not serve my community...and will bring HUGE traffic issues (weekdays for a school, on the weekends for services and other functions throughout the week)

Me too but shoudn't we spend on necessary educational expenses?

if the schools are crowded...or will become crowded according to studies...this is a necessary education expense...

Isn't time you got involved? Give me a call.

ted...it's not a complete lack of interest...quite honestly...my husband and i are busy (as most of us are) - we have to choose what we commit to (when we commit it is 100%)...between work, home, pets, our hobbies, family and friends...and worrying about issues that currently DIRECTLY impact our lives...we, unfortunately don't have the time to become involved in the school fight...

Date: Tue May 18 4:29 PM, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by: Maria
"i'd be willing to pay taxes to a town serving school.

If you accept the vORT numbers, the cuch will cost $66/ yr. (their number is off since it doesn't appear that the church would pay no taxes).

On the other hand, a school (that we don't need) will cost hundreds/yr. It seems to me that it's like cutting off your nose to spite your face

if the schools are crowded...or will become crowded according to studies...this (a school) is a necessary education expense...

The studies aare in serious doubt by members of the BOE as well as others in the community

Isn't time you got involved? Give me a call.ted...it's not a complete lack of interest...quite honestly...my husband and i are busy (as most of us are) - we have to choose what we commit to (when we commit it is 100%)...between work, home, pets, our hobbies, family and friends...and worrying about issues that currently DIRECTLY impact our lives...we, unfortunately don't have the time to become involved in the school fight..."

About 60% of your property taxes go to the schools and about 90% of that number pays teacher salaries. and the number of teachers is sure to increase if we build a school...a school we don't need.

Date: Tue May 18 4:40 PM, 2004

CC cost will be 66 bucks per year? Are you absolutely insane? Have you considered the infrastructure changes what will be required to have the honor of "Hosting" this business? Are you out of your mind mr Doty? Never mind, I think that we know the answer to that question. It was rhetorical.

Date: Tue May 18 4:55 PM, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by: Ted is smokin something
"CC cost will be 66 bucks per year? Are you absolutely insane?

$66.00/yr represents a $631,000 loss in taxes.

Have you considered the infrastructure changes what will be required to have the honor of "Hosting" this business?

Regardless of the tenant, there will be a need to upgrade infrastructure. In fact, a school will probably cost more given the increased traffic and useage

Date: Tue May 18 5:13 PM, 2004

No wonder you lost your bids for minor local government. Your slanted views once again make no reasonable argument; not against the school; in fact point out the added value of a new school property. You conveniently neglected to include in your GUESStimates the cost of the church.

Yes, while the school will raise our taxes by $200 or so per household, the church will raise the taxes by about $60 a year + un-calculated costs of:
1. Road widening
2. Compensation to the current owners of land to widen the road
3. Maintenance needed for the extra traffic
4. Emergency services for an additional 5000+ non-residents (1/4 of our population, easily a 25% increase)
5. Potential cost for new town wells, the existing wells at the Agilent site would undoubtedly disturbed by CC construction and added vehicles
6. Priceless damage to our local environment

Not to mention decreasing our own quality of life. A school would at least benefit our children.

You inspired me to call the town and school board and encourage them to choose the Agilent site, something that I wouldn't have bothered to do before. Thank you for keeping my focus on keeping my town what it is, a great place to live!

Date: Tue May 18 5:38 PM, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by: Mr. Stark
"; point out the added value of a new school property.

Actually, building a school that we don't need is wasteful spending and will reduce property value.

You conveniently neglected to include in your GUESStimates the cost of the church. Yes, while the school will raise our taxes by $200 or so per household, the church will raise the taxes by about $60 a year + un-calculated costs of: 1. Road widening 2. Compensation to the current owners of land to widen the road 3. Maintenance needed for the extra traffic 4. Emergency services for an additional 5000+ non-residents (1/4 of our population, easily a 25% increase) 5. Potential cost for new town wells, the existing wells at the Agilent site would undoubtedly disturbed by CC construction and added vehicles 6. Priceless damage to our local environment

Well, there are 3 alternative sites. None of them make sense since we don't need a school.

But regardless of who the next owner of 140 Green Pond is, changes and upgrades will be needed. In fact anything other than the church will cost more...especially a school.

Thanks for bringing up the concept of alternatives. I've been trying to get you guys to see that it's all about alternatives for almost a year now.

Not to mention decreasing our own quality of life.

The only constant is change and I'm not so sure change is a negative

Date: Tue May 18 5:42 PM, 2004

I think that change is good too and wish that change would have Ted move to Montclair. CC will be right in his neighborhood and he will be in Christ Church Heaven, the only heaven that he will probably ever see. All in favor of that change say "I". All those opposed say "nay".

I

Date: Tue May 18 5:45 PM, 2004

I

Date: Tue May 18 5:58 PM, 2004

Change is constant, in this case, we changed by realizing what a colossal mistake CC in rockaway would be. RLUIPA is unconstitutional, what ever happened to separation of church and state? How can the government grant them preference? Don’t worry, we will be victorious and you will find something else to whine about, something else that the majority of the town is for or against. The one sure thing that will add value to out town is if you moved away.

Maybe you should focus your attention on something that will actually help people, maybe you can start a letter writing campaign to Washington to allow stem-cell research, that is something that religious extremists don’t like, and there seem to be a lot of them. Not to mention that would really help people that have no hope or joy in their life, you could help a cause that would make very unhappy people joyous. Run with it! I bet you could really “shake things up” doing that hey old buddy? Be a little more constructive and stop crying.

Date: Tue May 18 7:54 PM, 2004

Nay

I like having someone to hate right here in my backyard.

Date: Tue May 18 8:00 PM, 2004

I would tend to agree with Nay, however the damage that this guy is doing to our town is not worth it. So I say:

I

Date: Tue May 18 8:44 PM, 2004

Craig already has a pledge started in hope of helping tED'S move - Craig - do you have the pledge numbers handy??