One "Yes" or "No" question for Jay - The "All Opinions are Welcome, but Sorry no Instigators" Board

Date: Sat May 8 11:54 PM, 2004

One "Yes" or "No" question for Jay

Date: Sun May 9 8:04 AM, 2004

Answer:

NO! This is the path for Christians to enter heaven. The point you miss and I think what Craig has been trying to say is; Your way is not the only way, and it is insulting on biblical levels (literally) that you feel you own the keys to the pearly gates.

You will never convince me that rightous Jews, Budhisits, Muslims, Hindus are exempt from heaven because they don't subscribe to YOUR interperitation of G-D's Law. All religions have the common thread of one G-D, morality, and purity and the gift of spirituality by following these tenents. Have you read the torah? The Koran? You don't hold the copyright on these beliefs.

Your arrogance is a slap to the Lord's true message, Which you have proven you have no idea what it is.

Date: Sun May 9 8:04 AM, 2004

Matthew,

Due to the recent attacks from the press, religious discussions are off limits.

Again - you attempt to bait.

And again, you refuse to stand up and 'own' your statements. You will allow LIES AND MISTRUTHS to stand in the press for all to see.

You are a VERY shallow individual. You have no respect for TRUTH.

Date: Sun May 9 8:34 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Matthew
"Jay, In recent questions to me you have referenced Jesus. I am glad to see that you are comfortable talking about Jesus. I have one question for you Jay. It is a simple "yes" or "no" question. First, please read these few passages from the New Testament: For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus 1 Timothy 2:5 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also1 John 2:23 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."Matthew 28:18 "All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."Matthew 11:27 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day."John 6:44 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"John 14:6 Question: Do these passages say that Jesus is the only way to Heaven? (note: I am not asking if you agree with these passages, only what you think they are saying) Matthew"

By the way Matthew, you are doing again exactly what others have proven you to do in the past. You pick a book written by men and then use their words to prove something. You know I am Jewish. You know I do not follow, nor care to follow the testament. I accuse you again of attempting to bait. If you want quotes, I can pick out a few ripe ones myself, but that is not my goal - I do not choose to continue a debate on religion that you attempt to start again. You proved the first time that you will bait, but not respond.

Again - own your own statements - have some balls...or forever allow lies to stand.

You want to know something of MY religious beliefs - I will tell you. Those who allow LIES and MISTRUTHS to stand, making no attempt to 'fix' the lies are NOT good people.

Date: Sun May 9 8:46 AM, 2004

These are BELIEFS.

Debate about beliefs is stupid.

Date: Sun May 9 9:05 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Karen
"These are BELIEFS. Debate about beliefs is stupid."

Karen,

Debate about beliefs may be stupid, but Matthew's continued allowance of the mistruths of the Daily Record shows him to be a gutless liar. Those who allow lies to stand when they can come forward and clear things up are liars.

I wonder if Matthew is really Russ - or just one of his buddies?

Date: Sun May 9 9:14 AM, 2004

I'm not against debate on that issue; he's obviously not above much.

As for who it is, go here and come to your own conclusions:

http://rockawaytruth.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=6d7751958d516745a119badc28235d8f

Date: Sun May 9 9:23 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Karen
"I'm not against debate on that issue; he's obviously not above much. As for who it is, go here and come to your own conclusions: http://rockawaytruth.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=6d7751958d516745a119badc28235d8f"

Is that not the site run by the one, the only:

Mulletman: keeping America's trailer parks safe

Date: Sun May 9 9:27 AM, 2004

I think that the passage "No one comes to the father except through me" is about as bigotted as things get. No wonder Mr. Maier is not too happy with Fundamentalist Christianity. It is also illogical to use a document to authenticate itself. If all Christians believe in this statement stated above, then it is not only an antisemetic religion, it is also anti every other religion on the planet.

Date: Sun May 9 11:02 AM, 2004

"ANSWERS" - BRAVO on a wonderful posting! It is refreshing to see some logic and rational behavior!

Matthew - It is clear as to who and what you are. You are first a coward - failing to step forward and speak to the press to ensure your statements are accurate. It is also clear that you are the most bigioted person on this board. You have taken the words of the Bible and twisted the meaning from Love and acceptance to - My way or the Highway - You are a very sick and uneducated person with the highest lack of regard for your fellow man. I am a Christian - You are something far differnt.

Journalist - If you really are one...it is clear why there is some much BS in the papers.

Date: Sun May 9 12:32 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Jay R
"Matthew, Due to the recent attacks from the press, religious discussions are off limits. Again - you attempt to bait. And again, you refuse to stand up and 'own' your statements. You will allow LIES AND MISTRUTHS to stand in the press for all to see. You are a VERY shallow individual. You have no respect for TRUTH."

Jay,

You have no problem with asking WWJD and offering your views on Jesus and how He would handle things.

You, Jay, have continued to bring Jesus into the discussion. Yet when I seek to discover your full understanding of the Son of God, you run and hide, refusing to discuss religion?

Let me suggest that YOU leave Jesus out of your posts if you don't wish to talk about Him.

If you continue to mention Him, I will continue to discuss Him in this forum.

The choice is yours Jay.

Matthew

Date: Sun May 9 12:48 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Jew in RT
"I think that the passage "No one comes to the father except through me" is about as bigotted as things get. No wonder Mr. Maier is not too happy with Fundamentalist Christianity. It is also illogical to use a document to authenticate itself. If all Christians believe in this statement stated above, then it is not only an antisemetic religion, it is also anti every other religion on the planet."

I am not attempting to prove that the statement is true.

I am not attempting to prove that Jesus is the only way.

I am simply highlighting what the New Testament says about Jesus.

I AM NOT ASKING if you AGREE with this statement. It is obvious that most here do not.

This is not the point of my question.

The question is this:

According to the New Testament, is Jesus saying that He is the only way to Heaven?

Matthew

Date: Sun May 9 12:53 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: observations
""ANSWERS" - BRAVO on a wonderful posting! It is refreshing to see some logic and rational behavior! Matthew - It is clear as to who and what you are. You are first a coward - failing to step forward and speak to the press to ensure your statements are accurate. It is also clear that you are the most bigioted person on this board. You have taken the words of the Bible and twisted the meaning from Love and acceptance to - My way or the Highway - You are a very sick and uneducated person with the highest lack of regard for your fellow man. I am a Christian - You are something far differnt. Journalist - If you really are one...it is clear why there is some much BS in the papers. "

Dear "Christian",

Is this passage in your Bible?:

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"
John 14:6

In this passage, if Jesus isn't claiming to be "the only way to Heaven", then what is He saying?

Matthew

Date: Mon May 10 6:46 AM, 2004

The problem with your philosophy and quote is: It is still a rendition by John and not Jesus, and I believe written 1300 years after Jesus' death.

Date: Mon May 10 7:54 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: John
"The problem with your philosophy and quote is: It is still a rendition by John and not Jesus, and I believe written 1300 years after Jesus' death."

John,

The historical accuracy of the New Testament can be debated if you like. But again, you are missing the point. The question I have posed above to "Christian" is what they believe that passage means.

If there are "Christians" here who are implying that only certain passages in the Bible are accurate, then they should state that. My response to that argument would be "which ones are accurate" and "how do you choose?".

If only parts of the Bible are true, then we might as well discount the whole book, because who can tell what is really fact and what is really fiction.

My question to any "moderate Christians" here is:

Do you believe the whole Bible is true?

I doubt any will answer.

Matthew

Date: Mon May 10 8:03 AM, 2004

The following quotation is very troubling to us non Christians. I wonder why?

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"
John 14:6

Do you Christian folks really believe that to be literally true? If so, why do you not see the problem with it as Mr Maier and a few others has been pointing out all along? Clearly, this is an extremist perspective, but I am curious how many people other than Mr Matthew subscribes to this kind of theology. Please let us know by your postings.

Thanks.

Date: Mon May 10 8:21 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Very Troubling
"The following quotation is very troubling to us non Christians. I wonder why? "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"John 14:6 Do you Christian folks really believe that to be literally true? If so, why do you not see the problem with it as Mr Maier and a few others has been pointing out all along? Clearly, this is an extremist perspective, but I am curious how many people other than Mr Matthew subscribes to this kind of theology. Please let us know by your postings. Thanks."

What I find MOST troubling is that "Matthew" can allow lies to stand in the newspaper. Very disingenuous for a person to claim to be religious, but yet to allow lies to stand. A good citizen, religious or not, can have no respect for this person who refuses to own his own statements. One who lets lies stand as truth is a LIAR himself. We all know can know Matthew as a spineless liar - that is, if he continues to refuse to speak to Mr. Koloff at the Daily Record.

Date: Mon May 10 8:24 AM, 2004

Jay,

I'm not sure I'm clear on exactly what "lies" you're refering to.

Maybe you can help.

Matthew

Date: Mon May 10 8:37 AM, 2004

Matthew,

You play games.

We've been through this before. Mr. Koloff stated that you might be an anti-church person posting anonymously trying to make the church look bad.

We all know you are not. You must come forward to Mr. Koloff to set this fact straight.

Mr. Koloff also mistated your original quote (paraphrasing - they're not getting people into heaven as far as I can see). You need to set him straight.

If you allow Mr. Koloff's statements to stand - especially the first one, you are a gutless spineless man who allows LIES to stand in the press. In my book, and in the book of many others, that makes you an accomplice to a lie.

Obviously the choice is yours - Allow Mr. Koloff's statements about the 'anonymous' Matthew to stand, or come forward, speak to Mr. Koloff, and own your remarks.

Are you a gutless LIAR or a man who has the conviction to stand up for what he believes in.

Again - the choice is yours...Do not speak up and we will all know what you are.

Jay

Date: Mon May 10 8:46 AM, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by: Jay R
"Matthew, You play games. We've been through this before. Mr. Koloff stated that you might be an anti-church person posting anonymously trying to make the church look bad.

"Might be" is what he said. It is true, I might be. It is also true that I might not be. No lie here.

We all know you are not. You must come forward to Mr. Koloff to set this fact straight. Mr. Koloff also mistated your original quote (paraphrasing - they're not getting people into heaven as far as I can see).

His paraphrase was basically true. Certainly not a "lie" as far as I'm concerned.

You need to set him straight. If you allow Mr. Koloff's statements to stand - especially the first one, you are a gutless spineless man who allows LIES to stand in the press. In my book, and in the book of many others, that makes you an accomplice to a lie. Obviously the choice is yours - Allow Mr. Koloff's statements about the 'anonymous' Matthew to stand, or come forward, speak to Mr. Koloff, and own your remarks. Are you a gutless LIAR or a man who has the conviction to stand up for what he believes in. Again - the choice is yours...Do not speak up and we will all know what you are. Jay"

Jay, why do you feel that name calling is neccesary? And you ask "Are you a gutless LIAR " please tell me Jay, where have I lied?

And Jay, have you called Mr. Koloff and offered your thought's to him? You're obviously very concerned about his article. Why don't you give him a call.

Matthew

Date: Mon May 10 9:07 AM, 2004

"Matthew, You play games. We've been through this before. Mr. Koloff stated that you might be an anti-church person posting anonymously trying to make the church look bad.

"Might be" is what he said. It is true, I might be. It is also true that I might not be. No lie here.

Are you a lawyer Matthew? You talk like one. Does it depend what the meaning of the word 'is' is??? This is the real world, not a court of law. If you allow LIES to stand, you are a liar. Do not play games with semantics.

We all know you are not. You must come forward to Mr. Koloff to set this fact straight. Mr. Koloff also mistated your original quote (paraphrasing - they're not getting people into heaven as far as I can see).

His paraphrase was basically true. Certainly not a "lie" as far as I'm concerned.

Matthew - you know very well that the paraphrase above IS your statement and NOT what Mr. Koloff printed. Mr. Koloff printed your statement as (paraprhasing HIM - Jews before Jesus' time got into heaven)...He missed your original statement - which can still be viewed on this website.

You need to set him straight. If you allow Mr. Koloff's statements to stand - especially the first one, you are a gutless spineless man who allows LIES to stand in the press. In my book, and in the book of many others, that makes you an accomplice to a lie. Obviously the choice is yours - Allow Mr. Koloff's statements about the 'anonymous' Matthew to stand, or come forward, speak to Mr. Koloff, and own your remarks. Are you a gutless LIAR or a man who has the conviction to stand up for what he believes in. Again - the choice is yours...Do not speak up and we will all know what you are. Jay"

Jay, why do you feel that name calling is neccesary? And you ask "Are you a gutless LIAR " please tell me Jay, where have I lied?

Why - if the shoe fits...If you allow Mr. Koloff's mis-statements to stand, then you allow lies to stand.

And Jay, have you called Mr. Koloff and offered your thought's to him? You're obviously very concerned about his article. Why don't you give him a call.

Acutally - I have contacted him about the mistakes in his article. I pointed out the corrections, but unfortunately, not being Matthew, I can not stand up for YOUR statements. Only you can do that. Only you can end the lie that was printed in the paper. Your choice. Mr. Koloff thrust you into center stage with his article. Are you so afraid that he will find your statements bigoted that you refuse to come forward?

Date: Mon May 10 10:24 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Jay R
""Matthew, You play games. We've been through this before. Mr. Koloff stated that you might be an anti-church person posting anonymously trying to make the church look bad. "Might be" is what he said. It is true, I might be. It is also true that I might not be. No lie here. Are you a lawyer Matthew? You talk like one. Does it depend what the meaning of the word 'is' is??? This is the real world, not a court of law. If you allow LIES to stand, you are a liar. Do not play games with semantics. We all know you are not. You must come forward to Mr. Koloff to set this fact straight. Mr. Koloff also mistated your original quote (paraphrasing - they're not getting people into heaven as far as I can see). His paraphrase was basically true. Certainly not a "lie" as far as I'm concerned. Matthew - you know very well that the paraphrase above IS your statement and NOT what Mr. Koloff printed. Mr. Koloff printed your statement as (paraprhasing HIM - Jews before Jesus' time got into heaven)...He missed your original statement - which can still be viewed on this website. You need to set him straight. If you allow Mr. Koloff's statements to stand - especially the first one, you are a gutless spineless man who allows LIES to stand in the press. In my book, and in the book of many others, that makes you an accomplice to a lie. Obviously the choice is yours - Allow Mr. Koloff's statements about the 'anonymous' Matthew to stand, or come forward, speak to Mr. Koloff, and own your remarks. Are you a gutless LIAR or a man who has the conviction to stand up for what he believes in. Again - the choice is yours...Do not speak up and we will all know what you are. Jay" Jay, why do you feel that name calling is neccesary? And you ask "Are you a gutless LIAR " please tell me Jay, where have I lied? Why - if the shoe fits...If you allow Mr. Koloff's mis-statements to stand, then you allow lies to stand. And Jay, have you called Mr. Koloff and offered your thought's to him? You're obviously very concerned about his article. Why don't you give him a call. Acutally - I have contacted him about the mistakes in his article. I pointed out the corrections, but unfortunately, not being Matthew, I can not stand up for YOUR statements. Only you can do that. Only you can end the lie that was printed in the paper. Your choice. Mr. Koloff thrust you into center stage with his article. Are you so afraid that he will find your statements bigoted that you refuse to come forward? "

Sorry, Jay, in my view, Mr. Koloff didn't lie so there is nothing to correct.

And you haven't pointed out where I lied yet, so your "gutless liar" comment is unfounded.

Of course, "unfounded comments" are certainly nothing new on this board! You fit right in Jay.

Obviously Jay, you REALLY want to know who I am.

Better get used to disappointment.

Matthew

Date: Mon May 10 10:55 AM, 2004

Matthew,

I really don't give a $hit who you are.

Obviously, your only concern is winning, not having the truth printed in the newspaper. You allow Mr. Koloff to spin your bigoted statement as being posted by someone who 'might be' against Christ Church.

Very sad.

Goodbye Matthew.

Date: Mon May 10 11:13 AM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Jay R
"Matthew, I really don't give a $hit who you are. Obviously, your only concern is winning, not having the truth printed in the newspaper. You allow Mr. Koloff to spin your bigoted statement as being posted by someone who 'might be' against Christ Church. Very sad. Goodbye Matthew."

Jay,

Breaking your promise so soon? I think what you just posted qualifies as a "response" to me.

That was fast. You may have just set a new record!

As I said, no lies by Koloff, so nothing to correct.

Last I checked, Mr. Koloff was entitled to express his opinion. That's all his statement was, his opinion.

Let's see if you'll break your promise twice!

Matthew