This place has been on the market since August. It is priced similarly to other homes in Morris county having similar amenities and land size.
There has been ZERO interest whatsoever in this place by anyone. Our real estate broker has been quite frank with us about it. He says that the reason is that we have a little Church Problem here in RT, and people just do not want to deal with that, thus little interest. Is that a surprise to anyone?
Anyway, we will have to drop the price dramatically to find a buyer. When you folks ultimately have to sell your places too (ultimately everyone sells, as you know) you will find your little hard earned nest egg dramatically depleted in value too.
And all because this township does not know how to protect its citizens agains the anslaught by a corrupt minister.
For your own good, stop pussy footing around with the DEP and all that crap. It will get you nowhere. Your ONLY option is confiscation by Eminent Domain - - - that is it!
I agree with you that all properties in RT will decline in value if CC gets their way however the percentage decline for those properties such as yours that are directly on either Green Pond Rd, Beach Glen or Meriden will logically be greater than the others. Since you have an especially high stake in this matter, have you taken any steps to find out anything specific about providing expert testimony on accoustics before the PB or at least appearing at the PB meeting to question CC's expert? I believe that last time this subject was discussed on this forum you planned to consult a land use attorney.
Yes, I received a little lesson on law last week after chatting with one of the attorneys who had advised us originally. Here is what I learned.
1. An "Expert" in the legal sense is not specifically what we would loosely or commonly call an expert in the standard vernacular. In other words, one might call a Pediatrician an expert in the medical treatment of children. That Pediatrician only becomes a legal "Expert" when the governing committee or legal entity recognizes that person to act in that capacity. Very interestingly, such a governing committee or legal entity could hire someone as their legal "Expert" who has no background whatsoever in a particular field, but if that group designates that individual as their expert, then that person is a proper Legal expert. Now, of course, the credibility of a person who, for the sake of argument, flips burgers for a living but is designated a legal "Expert" in Pediatric Medicine will have a tough time during examination and cross. So, the long and short of it is that a legal expert can be anyone designated as such by a legal authority.
2. A member of the township who simply profers information during a meeting and declares themselves to be an expert in a given field but has not been recognized by the committee as a legal expert will carry no particular weight in a proceedings. The reason is that said person can not be examined or cross examined.
3. The committee must declare a person to be their expert if they are to be represented as such. Of course, the committee would designate an expert who actually exhibits expertise in the field of endeavour being discussed if that person is to successfully endure examination by the opposite perspective in a legal discussion.
4. When one side presents an expert, it is incumbent for the opposing party to present their own expert unless the committee merely wants to accept the findings and conclusions arrived at by the single expert witness presented at a hearing.
So, that is what I learned about it. It's pretty interesting, I must say. I was unaware of some of the nuances associated with this subject.
Based on what you've learned it seems that the key is to have the PB recognize you as an "expert". Have you asked the mayor or chairman Dicker what they would require to recognize you as an expert? If so, would you be an expert for RT? If not for RT, couldn't you be an expert on your own like VORT had their own planner as an expert? I know that VORT is a 501(c) organization and has a lawyer but the 501(c) qualification merely means that they are a non profit organization for tax purposes. A lawyer is generally not required either in most situations as an individual is usually able to represent themselves "pro se".
I know that I would not need legal representation. And, I am certain that they know about my offer as they do monitor this board. But, they have not gotten in touch with me about it. Perhaps the do not view me as exactly the most objective expert witness, which would be correct. Lets face it, I can not stand the bastard that runs the place and the entire concept of a Gigachurch makes me sick to my stomach. Under oath, that would be the first question asked and and then answered on cross.
But, my number is listed if they are interested. As it stands right now, I have at least a 50-50 chance of being down in Texas working on a Lockheed Martin contract (the JSF - F-35 project) first week in Jan. I have been heavily involved in that for a little over a year now working on the Ground Support Equipment design team as a consultant. So, we shall see. If I am not here, I may be able to ask questions via a proxy like my wife or better yet, via someone somewhat technical who would understand my listing of questions.
Reality - YOU must attend the planning board meeting if you wish to speak at it.
Reality - YOU must ask to present information to the planning board, they can not come knocking at your door to ask you.
Reality - YOU must come prepared and speak in a professional tone.
Reality - ANYONE can address the planning board at the end to the process and say anything they want - they need not be an expert.
Reality - YOU have not attended a meeting in the longest time and only sit in judgement of others.
Reality - YOU claim to be moving, you also claim that the pricing is all CC fault - did it ever dawn on you that you may have paid too much for your house originally? I know of several people who have sold in your area in the last 2 years and all did very well. REALITY.
Apparently, you are too stupid to understand what I have stated numerous times before on this venue, but I will repeat it for you so that maybe it has a chance of getting through your thick skull:
The decision about cc will not be made by the Planning Board. It will be made in the Courtroom. Duh. It seems that most of the good citizens of RT have figured that out as indicated by the attendance numbers - - - about 30 people at the last meeting.
I have pointed out that the PB meetings are just a charade. Feel free to enjoy it if you so choose, but I have other meaningful things to do with my time than to sit on my butt for no reason whatsoever.
Now, before you write another note, please goto the following website and take the test:
http://www.iqtest.com/
Take the test. Look at the number. Weep. After you get over the shock of it, realize that we all see that teeny weeny, itsy bitsy number everytime you post. It would be very proper for you to be embarassed by it.
Rational wrote: This place has been on the market since August. It is priced similarly to other homes in Morris county having similar amenities and land size.
There has been ZERO interest whatsoever in this place by anyone. Our real estate broker has been quite frank with us about it. He says that the reason is that we have a little Church Problem here in RT, and people just do not want to deal with that, thus little interest...
Why don't you follow the "Shepard’s" lead and sue his ass for loss of assets (CC as a whole, and their board of directors individually) just like he is frivolously suing the town and board members. Put a lean on their houses and their CORPORATE ASSETS. If nothing else, they potentially would have to disclose publicly their net worth and income. Play their game; don't let them disrupt your livelihood. That would be interesting to see as they force all of those poor suckers to tithe a percentage of their income!!!
It is an interesting idea, but I am not sure on what basis that I could sue. Only if I could claim some sort of impoprietry on his part would there be a basis. I am certain that there is a lot of fraud going on there, but not sure how to prove it. Certainly worth it for all of us in RT to think about this. It seems that he has fraudently represented himself and his interests to the PB. Maybe it is even provable. Hmmmm ~ maybe a class action suit is in order - - -
