highlight: Each Wednesday, 2,000 to 3,000 teens pour into what looks like a suburban multiplex in an industrial section of the city. They spend an hour in fellowship -- playing free video games, dancing, watching other teens from the flavored water bar -- and an hour in an X-Game styled worship service.
Unusual youth ministry proves wildly popular
By Kelly Kurt
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
TULSA, Okla. - It's Wednesday night, and the hottest teen hangout around is packed and throbbing with what seems an unholy beat.
A disc jockey spins dance tunes upstairs, sending boys in sagging pants into contortions. Downstairs, girls surf the Internet from rows of iMacs flanking a glassed-in basketball court. Hundreds of new arrivals flow under a neon sign reading, "Oneighty," slowed only by a weapons check at the door.
Church night Bible study, it's not. But the music is Christian, the surfing monitored and "the funnest part," a 12-year-old Oneighty regular attests over a video game, "is learning about God."
With a worship style that is both hugely popular and way over the top -- this night's service features live motocross stunts -- the youth ministry of Tulsa's Church on the Move has been copied nationwide.
More than 100 unrelated youth groups have franchised the concept and the trademarked Oneighty name, despite critics who find its approach big on show and short on spirituality.
The night Westside Church in Bend, Ore., launched its Oneighty ministry, more than 800 youths showed up -- about 10 percent of the city's population, a pastor says.
When New Harvest Christian Fellowship's version of Oneighty brought a skate park, video arcade and DJ concerts to the Los Angeles suburb of Norwalk, the youth group went from 40 teens to about 600.
"Flannel boards don't work anymore," says senior pastor Richard Salazar, referring to the cloth cutout story boards that were once a Sunday school staple. "This is a technical generation. I think our numbers speak for themselves."
Salazar was wary at first. But like other pastors facing aging congregations and shrinking youth groups, he was also frustrated.
He followed other pilgrims to Tulsa to see what has been proclaimed the nation's largest weekly youth gathering, secular or otherwise.
Each Wednesday, 2,000 to 3,000 teens pour into what looks like a suburban multiplex in an industrial section of the city. They spend an hour in fellowship -- playing free video games, dancing, watching other teens from the flavored water bar -- and an hour in an X-Game styled worship service.
The ministry started about eight years ago when the Rev. Willie George gave up his midweek pulpit at Church on the Move, a charismatic Christian megachurch drawing as many as 10,000 weekend worshippers. He wanted to focus on the ailing youth group, says Blaine Bartel, Oneighty's national director.
George's conclusion: If MTV spends all the money it does to lure young men and women, the church needs to do it, too.
"You've got to have the hook -- the message of the Gospel. But you've got to have bait on the hook," Bartel says. "We've got to have things that appeal to kids."
And so the youth group scrapped its hokey sing-alongs and beige fellowship hall, adopted a name that suggested the 180-degree turn of repentance and in 2002 moved into its multimillion-dollar 92,000-square-foot building.
Giant screens in Oneighty's auditorium display a motocross racer detailing his failures in a litany of broken bones. The screens switch to a live feed from just outside the building. The same racer is there, gunning his bike toward a ramp.
Flawlessly, he executes high-flying flip after flip. Guitars grind inside and Proverbs 24:16 flashes on a screen: "For though a righteous man falls seven times, he rises again."
Bartel, dressed in a T-shirt and jeans and in front of a trampoline, says the on-stage prop is "just like the Lord. He will help you to bounce back every time."
The service ends with two dozen youths tramping to the front in an altar call.
Sixteen-year-old Eddye Allen has been a Oneighty regular for years and returned to her family's Baptist church on Sunday mornings.
"It's more than coming here and playing games," she says. Bartel makes the Bible more accessible for her. "Instead of saying, 'Thou shalt not whatever,' he'll say, 'This is what you shouldn't do.'"
The high-tech, entertainment-based approach has become popular among churches looking to draw a crowd, says Mark Oestreicher, president of Youth Specialties, which provides training and resources to youth workers from a variety of Christian denominations.
But not all ministers think Oneighty's popularity equals success, he says. Some find the approach has little effect on long-term spiritual growth.
Dan Kimball, pastor of Vintage Faith Church in Santa Cruz, says he lost his faith in the concept after years of leading a similarly styled youth ministry. Teens had started asking him, "Where's the spirituality?"
"Are we creating in teenagers a view of church that is scored by what we do entertainment-wise ...rather than on Jesus?" Kimball asks. "They are seeking the spiritual, so why should we give them entertainment?"
Bartel says he also has Oneighty "unplugged": Monday night small-group gatherings that include Bible study. And for some, the Oneighty experience is their only contact with organized religion.
"We have kids who come to Oneighty that don't come to church on Sunday," Salazar says. "They call this their church."
Let me guess, you'd rather that teens gather in small groups, not large ones like in this article? Small groups that get together to drink, do drugs and engage in sexual behavior? That's what most of this country's youth are into these days.
I don't assume you're in favor of those "small group" activities. But if you have a problem with the "large group" activity described in the article, what would you like to see America's teens doing?
Matty, I do not give a cr@p where all the teens from Montclair hang out. I care about our kids here in Rockaway. I believe there will be great programs for our teens to attend in the new school to be built at 140 Green Pond Road.
quote: Originally posted by: To tell you the truth "Matty, I do not give a cr@p where all the teens from Montclair hang out. I care about our kids here in Rockaway. I believe there will be great programs for our teens to attend in the new school to be built at 140 Green Pond Road. "
There are already many schools in the area. Have these been successful in offering programs to get our kids away from drugs, alcohol & sex?
What makes you think another school will solve those problems?
We need a new school. The property at 140 GPR is the obvious choice. Kid's chasing after sex and drugs has nothing to do with this fact. If you see a need for a specific program, please stop wasting time posting here and get involved in our community, I am sure you will find all the support needed! Otherwise you are just blowing hot air my friend.
quote: Originally posted by: Matthew "Jay, Let me guess, you'd rather that teens gather in small groups, not large ones like in this article? Small groups that get together to drink, do drugs and engage in sexual behavior? That's what most of this country's youth are into these days. I don't assume you're in favor of those "small group" activities. But if you have a problem with the "large group" activity described in the article, what would you like to see America's teens doing? Matthew "
I don't think the issue has anything to do with the venue. We just don't want 2000 kids converging on 140 Green Pond Road on a week night. The point Jay is trying to get across is this proposal can quickly spin out of control and grow into something that is much more than the Rev would have us believe. I guess when you have no growth projections, that's what happens.
Remember Matthew, it's about traffic, infrastructure, environment, quality of life. Keeping our teens from the negative activities you stated above must be a function of instilled values stemming from ones family.
quote: Originally posted by: BJR " I don't think the issue has anything to do with the venue. We just don't want 2000 kids converging on 140 Green Pond Road on a week night. The point Jay is trying to get across is this proposal can quickly spin out of control and grow into something that is much more than the Rev would have us believe. I guess when you have no growth projections, that's what happens. Remember Matthew, it's about traffic, infrastructure, environment, quality of life. Keeping our teens from the negative activities you stated above must be a function of instilled values stemming from ones family. "
Thank you. That was EXACTLY my point...The programs are great. What I object to is a large program being run at 140 Green Pond Road. Can we expect 2000 people nightly 5 years from now? Driving from a 30-60 mile radius to play free (just listen to some inspirational talks) video games at 140 Green Pond Road? When will it end? Will we give 140 Green Pond Road it's own zip code? After all, a few years from now, they might have more people attending on a weekly basis than live in Rockaway Township (which has at least 6 zip codes already - Wharton, Dover, Boonton, Newfoundland, Rockaway, Hibernia)...
There are already many schools in the area. Have these been successful in offering programs to get our kids away from drugs, alcohol & sex? What makes you think another school will solve those problems? Matthew"
Yes, and there are also already many churches in the area.
Difference is, our kids are sitting with 25-30 other kids trying to learn.
Our churches have plenty of room for more of us to attend.
I have yet to hear anyone EVER say, "I want to go to this particular church but they can't accommodate me."
Originally posted by: Karen " Yes, and there are also already many churches in the area. Difference is, our kids are sitting with 25-30 other kids trying to learn.
Really, on weeknights during the summer? Please tell me which churches in the are offer these youth programs that are drawing 25-30 kids per weeknight.
Our churches have plenty of room for more of us to attend.
Why aren't more people attending these churches? If they're so successful in what they're doing, they should be packed, shouldn't they?
I have yet to hear anyone EVER say, "I want to go to this particular church but they can't accommodate me."
Maybe because the churches in the area aren't offering what they're looking for?
It's been made very clear that most here feel that CC is very different than many churches in this area. Maybe their style is just what many people in Morris County are looking for?
You are an idiot. I am sorry to resort to name calling but there are simply no other words to explain you ranting, angry, my way or the highway or I AM ALL KNOWING attitude.
Lets talk about the kids. You assume because there is a large group of kids this is a GOOD THING. I disagree for MANY reasons and it is funny as it also appears to be at the root of my dislike for Mega-churches in general (I could care less WHAT THE religion shared - simply the MEGA is better concept is where I have a problem)
1. in small groups of people (kids and adults) meaningful bonds are made. In children these bonds last a lifetime. In large groups there are too many personalities to get to know people very well. The PERSONAL connection is NOT the same. Further with large groups of kids "clicks" are always formed - this is not so easy in smaller groups.
2. How can a "man of G-d" (i do not care what type of religion) tend to a "flock" of thousands? I know many "people of G-d" and they have a large job tending to 100-300 families and giving them the time, attention and guidance needed.
3. Large groups of kids - WILL FIND TROUBLE - regardless what the setting is. Can you honestly think that children/teens in the numbers suggested above are recieving the same supervision as a group of 20-30 kids???
I would NEVER send my child to such a large event unsupervised, it is simply bad parenting. To think that "well it is a "church" event they will be fine"..is niave and short sighted.
I attended a large "retreat" when I was about 14-15 years old - my small church group met 10 other churches in a country setting for a weekend of prayer and reflection. A kid from a DIFFERENT church was kind enough to bring enough pot for all who wanted, it was the first time I got high - do you think my parents would have EVER thought that could happen at a "church" event????