The Jewish and the Christian religion(s) do not have Dunn and Bradstreet ratings. Only christ church does in my own personal experience. (Maybe Jimmy and Tammy Faye Baker did too??)
If you want to run a business called "christ church" in RT, fine. But, call it as such. We will consider it as such and have no problems with it so long as it pays for the infrastructure (IMPACT.) You (cc) should pay taxes like the rest of our profitable businesses here in town. But please do not think that we are a bunch of idiots who actually believe that this cc thing is a real Church any more than "Maier Ministries" is. (we are very close to 501(c)3 status here too.) (I will give free lectures on how to attain this status to all in RT who are interested in the same having gone through it myself - - - took about 5 months til fruition)
So - - -
Hey, you cc guys, and the politicians here in town who are on the edge on this, - - - wanna play hardball, watch what happens when I get all the rest of RT to become Ordained Ministers with Phd's in Divinity! Watch out - - - we will do it long before you (cc {country club}) will succeed in taking over and controlling the resources of our lovely township.
Read it and weap mr ireland! This can happen. I just happen to lead the pack with this strategy to see what was involved and am glad to share it with all. The basic law of the seperation of powers is against you (cc) given that we can play "church" hardball too.
Anyone in RT who wants to join us in becomming your own personal "church" status to help demonstrate the degree of farce which is going on here, please contact us at the following:
The ultimate point is that we can all do it. And if we do, the whole system of taxation comes a crumbling down! So, let us engage the system like cc is trying to do!
Best Regards,
Craig Maier
ps, there are a lot of details that you need to understand to do this, but no biggie once you understand them.
OK, so let me see if I have this right: I legally become a minister, then I claim my house and land as my church. I follow whatever rules that are required to do this, and the town is forced to recognize me as such, which would then remove my property from the town tax roles. Sounds like it might work. So far, so good.
So the suggestion is that if much of RT follows this path, then none of them will have to pay real estate tax and the town will lose a large portion of it's revenue. OK, I see that this plan could cause some difficulties for the town.
But isn't the goal to stop CC from coming to RT?
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how this plan achieves that.
Under this plan, the town loses revenue and CC still moves in.
i think the point is that cc is a corporate entity...a profit machine...that will suck the life out of RT...
and by all of us becoming our own promised lands...we will be entitled to everything that cc is...even though none of us really should...
we'd be called a church - even if that is not our main function...we won't pay taxes...even though we make money...we don't owe the town anything...even if we are using all of their resources...and we can use RLIUPA to plunder our neighbors...b/c as a church we have that right...
I think he was just trying to make an illustration...okay?
That an organization that seems to benefit nothing but itself, while causing detrimental effect to its neighbors--without recourse, is really not a good thing.
"Hey, you cc guys, and the politicians here in town who are on the edge on this, - - - wanna play hardball, watch what happens when I get all the rest of RT to become Ordained Ministers with Phd's in Divinity! Watch out - - - we will do it long before you (cc {country club}) will succeed in taking over and controlling the resources of our lovely township."
i'd have to say that anyone who does this would have the power to (and would gain this power b/4 ireland's plan goes thru) control the town's decision making processes - the town would also see how they will lose if ireland's kingdom is allowed to settle here...
so again...it's to prove a point...(as people have already stated repeatedly...)
quote: Originally posted by: Another way to fight? " So you are saying Craig's 'other way' is just useless babble that will accomplish nothing? How surprising!"
sorry...i just don't see that posted anywhere (other than your post)...you have a hard time with comprehension and retention...don't you?
proving a point is not useless...often it helps people see the error of their ways...or how unfair treatment really can hurt...maybe ireland (being a g-d fearing man) will see how his plans are hurting this community...but...i doubt it...
I thought that the plan would be real obvious. It has the following effect.
If the politicians (mayor, planning board, etc) do not do the right thing with this cc application and reject it, then they will have a much bigger problem on their hands. That problem will be that RT will become a town of about 4500 churches all with the same rights as cc. That means no tax revenues at all for RT. That also means no zoning restrictions for the rest of us.
Ultimately, it means the total collapse of local government. Now, if that does not get their attention, nothing will.
My point personally, was though, that everyone knows very few of us would actually do that because of the devastating effect it would have on OUR community which we love--and put the burden of taxes on OUR neighbors whom we care about.
That's the difference between someone who is a member of a community making a decision that affects those around them, and someone who isn't a member of that community, coming in with total disregard for their neighbors...
Why care? It's not THEIR community, not their friends, neighbors, family...
I understand your perspective. My perspective is that you must fight fire with fire. Remember, it is not the earth that the meek inherit, its the dirt.
lol! Craig, you don't mess around, remind me not to cross you! I'm a pisces, though, and we have this whole idealism thing going on, much to our detriment lol
quote: Originally posted by: Craig Maier "I thought that the plan would be real obvious. It has the following effect. If the politicians (mayor, planning board, etc) do not do the right thing with this cc application and reject it, then they will have a much bigger problem on their hands. That problem will be that RT will become a town of about 4500 churches all with the same rights as cc. That means no tax revenues at all for RT. That also means no zoning restrictions for the rest of us. Ultimately, it means the total collapse of local government. Now, if that does not get their attention, nothing will. Does everyone understand now?"
So the plan is a "threat" to the town officials? If they let CC in then you will ruin the town?
Two questions then:
1 - Do you think the town officials will take this threat seriously?
2 - If CC gets in, will you (Craig and RT residents) go through with this plan?
I can not speak for anyone other than myself. But, I can assure you that I will invoke my own rights as a church if this thing happens. That is not threat. That is a promise. And I rather suspect that others will do the same thing. Why should I support cc? I will let the rest of the town do so if they so choose.
