what do 1000 parking spaces look like? - The "All Opinions are Welcome, but Sorry no Instigators" Board

Date: Sun Apr 11 4:00 PM, 2004

what do 1000 parking spaces look like?

Date: Sun Apr 11 6:50 PM, 2004

Hey lisa, thanks for the info--very interesting!

I looked it up on terrafly.com (just enter mount pleasant ave, rockway nj and you'll see the mall).

I remember you guys had mapped out the site for agilent regarding the 300' buffers--

This info might have significantly more impact if you were able to do that with this site as well (although I don't know how much of a hassle that was to do).

Date: Mon Apr 12 5:49 AM, 2004

TerraFly aerial map, 4 meters/pixels

Date: Mon Apr 12 11:44 AM, 2004

Keep in mind that the mall is right off Rt 80 and that Mt Hope Rd is 4 lanes which connects 80 to the Mall. The distance between Rt 80 and the Mall Entrance is probably no more than 1000 feet. Also, people who go to the mall go there on a "distributed" basis. There is no scheduled event like cc.

Now, imagine a much more significant impact compared to the mall being located directly off a two laner like Green Pond Road which is about 2 miles down the road from Rt 80!

I suspect if this 25,000 person project is approved that we will not only have to make Green Pond Rd 4 lanes wide, but also Old Beach Glenn Road to accomodate the alternate route traffic.

Real nice - - - and all for what? What is in it for us? The thrill of being able to say that we have the largest Megachurch in the state of NJ right here? LOL! Thanks, but no thanks.

Date: Mon Apr 12 12:49 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Lisa Salberg
"Hi and Happy Holidays to everyone! I wondered just how much space would 1000 parking spaces take up. We went to the mall - while it was closed to get a count. From the rear of the mall down stairs JC Pennys - all the way around the lower level in the rear to Lord and Taylors is darn close to 1000 spaces. This space allows for those spaces to be pretty much in a backwards 'L' shape. The Agilent space already has 880 spaces and the proposed re-development of this land will require an additional 1000 spaces. Next time you go the the mall take a good long look at how much land that is going to take. Just a thought. Lisa"

Thanks Lisa. But what's your point? Much of the Agilent site is wetlands and there can be no development on that area. Nor can there be development in the wet lands buffer which is an additional 50'. So is your opposition to parking spaces? Or do you think the church members should park along Meriden Rd.?

Either you don't think or you're just trying to increase the level of anger. Got any useful facts?

Date: Mon Apr 12 12:57 PM, 2004

I think the point was that 1,000 additional parking spaces is a lot of parking spaces.

Where should the church members park? Montclair would be fine by me--

Date: Mon Apr 12 1:36 PM, 2004

Are you trying to be stupid? The POINT of Lisa's message was look at how big an extra 1100 parking spots are....jackass!

And to your point, the fact that it will be so close to wetlands makes it even worse! Your rant makes no sense! Regardless of you or Lisa...the church said they are adding 1100 parking spots....YOU DICK! THIS IS WHAT 1100 PARKING SPOTS LOOK LIKE...RETARD! HOW COULD YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT!!!!!!!

Hmmm, maybe to put it in somthing you could understand. 1100 parking spots is about the size of the train disembark yard at Auschwitz....do you understand now?

Date: Mon Apr 12 3:46 PM, 2004

Thanks for adding the picture above. For those who are unclear as to why I posted this information allow me to explain in greater detail.

Currently there are 880 parking spaces at Agilent. The applicant seeks to add over 1000 more spaces. The addition of these spaces will call for the destruction of thousands of trees and the paving over of a great amount of land. When land is pave on it is not possible for the rain water to soak into the land thus leading to flooding and damage to the rivers surrounding the land. The land currently perks at about 15 feet - in short that means VERY wet land. For those of you with your own wells and septic you are very aware of these issues, for those with public water and sewage it is likely this in not something you think of often.

The mall was laid out to use the most efficient use of space for parking, the Agilent site has limitations as to how the parking can be arranged. On the current plans on file wth the planning board the parking areas are well into the buffer zones. This shows the inability to place parking on the land without entering into the sensitive zones.

1800+ cars are a great many... and on "special events" when more may attend, where will they park? Yes, likely on the roads which are one lane in each direction with limited area on the side of the road. That is a very dangerous situation.

I would ask you all to think about 1800 parking spaces and think about the land and water.

Sincerely,

Lisa

Date: Tue Apr 13 8:40 AM, 2004

If CC's parking lot complies with NJ regs, then it should be allowed, if not, then it shouldn't. Looking at pictures of parking lots is not neccesary.

As for traffic, again, from-the-hip analysis is fun for the amatures, but the traffic reports and traffic experts will is where the facts will be revealed.

And has nobody here considered that CC may opt to build a parking garage?

Date: Tue Apr 13 8:43 AM, 2004

I THINK we're just being made aware of how enormous 1,000 parking spaces is (when nearly twice as much is planned).

I think that's the point. Just awareness.

Date: Tue Apr 13 11:44 AM, 2004

I look at it this way -

Parking Spaces = Car Accomodation which is proportional to the Number of people traveling to the cc (country club).

Number of people who will be traveling to the cc is much higher than Ireland says in his testimony.

If the number = 25,000, you could build a 20 story car garage, but that does not solve the problem of access to the site via a two lane country road. So, I do not give a damn what Irelands traffic experts are going to say. He is going to base everything on 5000 people.

Is there anyone here who does not see or understand the difference? Membership will be a factor of 5 higher than the man claims. (He will never admit that).

So, traffic analysis are all going to be based on ones assumptions and Ireland says he has no projections for growth. Therefore, his analysis will be based on 5000.

Tell him that we do not want a deceitful cult leader setting up his business in our town. Besides, what is in it for us?? The great honor of supporting Ireland and his clan? Again, thanks, but no thanks.

Date: Tue Apr 13 11:54 AM, 2004

The Rev says, "...many, many people attend our services who never become members..."

If membership includes a tithe and a three-month course, isn't it probably that "many, many" people attend these services in addition to those who are members?

And per the Rev, 3,750 attend services on a normal Sunday.

So the question remains...

"How many is 'many, many'?"

Date: Tue Apr 13 12:20 PM, 2004

Karen - - - many many is about 25,000. I can prove this number to be the right number by using three differing methods of calculation. When I do ROI, Net Future Growth, and Space Allocation Projections, they all yield the same number. 25,000 +/- 3000.

Futhermore, I do not want a man of his character running a business with as many people involved as our total citizenship.

Date: Tue Apr 13 12:45 PM, 2004

Don't worry Craigy-boy, RT will expand Green Pond road to accommodate the various developments coming to RT.

Date: Tue Apr 13 12:48 PM, 2004

Last I knew Green Pond Road was a county road, wouldn't the county be responsible for that? And using what criteria? I don't know how the highway depts work--

Date: Tue Apr 13 1:03 PM, 2004

Green Pond Road can only be widened looking left going north. Looking right is all wetlands. To make 4 lanes there, we are going to have to condem about 25 houses (my last count). Morris country will have to pay for that - - - big bucks from us to Mr. Irelands business.

Futhermore, the alternate route will have to be widened. That is a town road called Farber Hill Road. That will be on RT exclusively.

All so that we can have the honor of having the biggest megachurch in the state.

One again, thanks, but no thanks. He brings nothing to the RT table that I am interested in.

Date: Tue Apr 13 1:08 PM, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by: Lisa Salberg
"The applicant seeks to add over 1000 more spaces. The addition of these spaces will call for the destruction of thousands of trees and the paving over of a great amount of land.

You see, here's an outright,boldface lie. Most of the trees on the property are on wetlands and cannot be cut down nor can the land be paved.

Folk, the girl is a liar and she's just trying to keep you all angry. Don't be lemmings, don't jump off the cliff.

Date: Tue Apr 13 1:14 PM, 2004

If that's the case, it won't happen anyway because of the environmental laws, so it's a moot point.

And I read Lisa's post to mean "IF they are allowed to put in 1,000 additional spaces, it WOULD mean..."

I have a problem seeing her post as a "lie".

Date: Tue Apr 13 1:19 PM, 2004

To:

The town Moron / Idiot

There are about 30 acres of Evergreened wooded forest on the Eastern sector of the property that are not wetlands and could theoretically be developed.

As per usual, you think it and that makes it fact. You will learn that there is a much higher burden than that when we get to court.

"I doddy Not kenew dat, dribble, drewl, duh, aummm, unnnmm, uhhhm, dribble some more.

Put your bib back on and STFU.

Date: Tue Apr 13 1:28 PM, 2004

The site will have to comply with all environmental laws, that is a non-issue. And the roads will be improved so traffic will be in better shape than ever. It is great, RT moves ever forward!

Date: Tue Apr 13 1:33 PM, 2004

It will never happen, so do not hold your breath. Instead, spend your resources looking for a town that wants you. We do not. We are not willing to trash our town for "Six Flags over Jesus".

Date: Tue Apr 13 1:41 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Craig Maier
"It will never happen, so do not hold your breath. Instead, spend your resources looking for a town that wants you. We do not. We are not willing to trash our town for "Six Flags over Jesus"."

So mean-spirited. Eventually you may see that the organization you hate so much is actually quite a force for good. Until then, enjoy the new roads.

Date: Tue Apr 13 1:47 PM, 2004

If mean spirited means not wanting a so called 'spiritual leader" comming to our town who does not even know or respect the 10 commandments, you are absolutely right. I am very mean spirited. I hate churches that have D&B ratings. Stay out Mr Ireland and run your business where the IMPACT will be appreciated.

Date: Tue Apr 13 1:53 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Craig Maier
"If mean spirited means not wanting a so called 'spiritual leader" comming to our town who does not even know or respect the 10 commandments, you are absolutely right. I am very mean spirited. I hate churches that have D&B ratings. Stay out Mr Ireland and run your business where the IMPACT will be appreciated."

Yup! That is exactly the mean-spiritedness I was referencing. Thanks for coming through for me.

Date: Tue Apr 13 1:57 PM, 2004

Sorry, Happy.

Some of us feel pretty strongly about this.

Is there anything you feel strongly about? Maybe like disagreeing with everyone around you for the mere sake of disagreeing?

Date: Tue Apr 13 3:15 PM, 2004

Ted, Do you stop to do ANY research before you trash your obsession? Did you look at the plans??? Did you SEE the parking going into the wooded area? Did you see the parking going past the buffer area?

You get on Lisa's case just to be a stalker freak, I think.

Date: Tue Apr 13 5:00 PM, 2004

On my way home from work today I stopped to look at the land at Agilent - I was concerned over the # of trees that may be taken down for these parking spaces. I got a bit wet in all the rain - but it was worth it. I also did not have the plans in my hands - BUT I have looked at them at the planning board meetings.

From what I could see there will be at the very least several hundered trees taken down to pave over the 1000 spaces. It may well be a thousand or more as many of them are small trees it is hard to count. The rear of the building is not easy to see from Green Pond - you have to get behind the building on the Meridian side to get a good look. That concerns me greatly is when these trees come down there is less protection for the rivers and the wetlands. What is really funny is the amount of flooding CC will find! Remember the days of the old HP bridge and how often it was flooded! - that new bridge will be covered in no time!

It appears that SOMEONE is talking out of his obsession again rather than with facts in hand. That dude is really odd!

Date: Tue Apr 13 9:24 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Incredible Ted
"Ted, Do you stop to do ANY research before you trash your obsession? Did you look at the plans??? Did you SEE the parking going into the wooded area? Did you see the parking going past the buffer area? You get on Lisa's case just to be a stalker freak, I think."

I've done enough reasearch to know that there won't be parking spaces on or near the welands. Thing is, Lisa knows it too. Before being accepted, the CC application would have remove any contemplated environmental violations.

Lisa's game is to intensify anger and fear thru insinuation and outright fabrication...and she tells you it's fact...and some of you believe it

Date: Tue Apr 13 9:59 PM, 2004

td -

STFU

Date: Tue Apr 13 10:21 PM, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Ted Doty
" Lisa's game is to intensify anger and fear thru insinuation and outright fabrication...and she tells you it's fact...and some of you believe it"

tED - Is that what the entire CC application is to you? A game? Are you playing headgames with the residents of Rockaway Township just to get your notoriety? Do you not care if it's fame or infamy for you - as long as the residents know your name?

The rest of us take this business VERY SERIOUSLY. Lisa does too. We do NOT think it's a game.

So are we to believe your Nazi comments were part of the game - to increase your notoriety?

So are we to believe your alleged (* to be proven in a court of law) attacks on Mr. Maier were part of a game - to increase your notoriety?

You play by strange rules.