This is a perfect example of a todddavidism--evasion to the nth degree!
Before this thread gets deleted:
1721. Todd - do you agree with the Daily Record? by QuesforTodd, 3/16/04 10:40 ET
Todd,
Do you agree with the article in today's Daily Record when it states "The 5,000-member Christ Church's building plan on Green Pond Road, including a 3,000-seat sanctuary and private K-5 school, has generated enormous local opposition"
Do you agree that there is ENORMOUS LOCAL OPPOSITION?
Please tell us which statement is true (only one can be true):
1. There is enormous local oppostion.
2. Most in town are fine, either way.
Note - if you tell us that statement #2 is correct, you are then calling Mr. Jennings of the Daily Record a liar.
Please tell us your answer Todd. Inquiring minds want to know what you think!
Interesting what about all the articles the record has written like 10/5 and the other ones about vorts conflict of interest and the drop in meeting size.
Do you agree when the record brought up those things.
I was hoping for happness today lets hope it works out in a way that will please everyone.
Did the record say most people were against it or did they just say the word local that might mean just green pond rd.
You will be happy if a court does not allow a school beccause of vorts being on the committee.
I said all along both groups are causing to many problems if vort never was on the comm. It would look much better if this goes to court.
Yes I agree the people against this church are very angry and they have some support just read the daily record 10/5 it might help you understand why some were against this.
But numbers dont steer you wrong less then half of the people against this at the first meeting care anymore.
Still most are fine with either a school,church,temple or comapany so relax
You show us your anger by claiming everyone you hate is angry.
You also avoid answering the questions:
Do you agree with the article in today's Daily Record when it states "The 5,000-member Christ Church's building plan on Green Pond Road, including a 3,000-seat sanctuary and private K-5 school, has generated enormous local opposition"
Do you agree that there is ENORMOUS LOCAL OPPOSITION?
"Yes I agree the people against this church are very angry and they have some support"
Your own anger and hatred of all whom you oppose shows again. How can you agree with something that wasn't asked of you. You were asked if there was ENORMOUS SUPPORT against Christ Church. Is there?
"But numbers dont steer you wrong less then half of the people against this at the first meeting care anymore."
Who are you to make that statement? You were not even at the first meeting. Remember? Someone here caught you in a lie. The posts are saved and posted elsewhere for ALL TO SEE to prove it. You claimed the next morning that the Christ Church attorney (Wendy Berger) did a good job, except you kept calling her "HE". "He was better than VORT's lawyer" and "He did a good job" and "He was wonderful". Are we to believe that you interviewed people after that meeting as to their opinions when you were not only not there, you lied about your attendance?
Your qute that "Still most are fine with either a school,church,temple or comapany so relax" is rediculous again. As the paper CLEARLY states, there is ENORMOUS SUPPORT against Christ Church. Nobody in town is fine with it except for a small handful.
So please answer the question, is there ENORMOUS SUPPORT against Christ Church or is Mr. Jennings a liar?
You have been taken to the mat on this one friend...most people would be fine with a 75 member church that supports our community - not a 5000+ Mega-Compound that does not resemble anything even close to a traditional church (99% of American churches have 75 or less menbers) get your facts straight.
Who is against the church's faith? You are trying to obfuscate the question at hand which is Do you agree that there is ENORMOUS LOCAL OPPOSITION or is Mr. Jennings a liar?
I only attended the first meeting. This is a leagal matter. I do not believe my attendence is critical. I do believe OUR town official need the support of the residents. Therefore, it is not a waste of time to attend the meetings.
no one said it was a waste of time. It would of been better to have picked a school for that site before and avoid all of this but to late now lets hope it works out for everyone.
The meeting wcould turn out to not have been nessary if we go with the school idea.
Either way lets hope it works out soon and we can talk about new things. Bye
Todd's connection at nj.com is off today - hence his losing batle in 1721 has not been deleted AND he disappeared?
Todd is running back to his bosses to find out what to say / do next and how to react to the article?
Obviously, his 'store' can not be busy with today's weather. Why does he choose first to avoid the question and then not to post when he is caught between telling the truth (the article is correct) and admitting that 'most in town' are NOT fine with the Church or saying that the Daily Record is wrong.
I have seen him act the same way in the past when caught in his lies. He usually disappears for a few hours or overnight and comes back with a complete new spin on the situation.
Looking back at all the times he has done this, it does strike me that he might have orders to stop posting and report back to his superiors when he gets caught in lies or is in over his head.
...Comes back with a new spin--or hoping something more interesting comes up in the meantime to distract us.
We should make sure we continue to pursue it! (I love the way someone--I forget who--continues to pursue him with "Todd, do you believe it's possible to follow the law and still wind up in court?" That's another one he can't seem to find an answer to. We should keep on that one too.)
I don't have access consistently to nj.com during the day, so can you guys police that thread, and post additional responses on this thread so we can all have a chuckle before they're deleted, ok?
Someone please ask that Mr. Betz guy, or whatever his name is, why 1721 was deleted and why every time it is reposted, they ban the ip address of the poster AND ban the name it was posted under.
Here is the entire thread that nj.com keeps removing:
1721. Todd - do you agree with the Daily Record? by QuesforTodd, 3/16/04 10:40 ET Todd,
Do you agree with the article in today's Daily Record when it states "The 5,000-member Christ Church's building plan on Green Pond Road, including a 3,000-seat sanctuary and private K-5 school, has generated enormous local opposition"
Do you agree that there is ENORMOUS LOCAL OPPOSITION?
Please tell us which statement is true (only one can be true):
1. There is enormous local oppostion.
2. Most in town are fine, either way.
Note - if you tell us that statement #2 is correct, you are then calling Mr. Jennings of the Daily Record a liar.
Please tell us your answer Todd. Inquiring minds want to know what you think!
1721.1. hmmm by todddavid, 3/16/04 10:53 ET Re: Todd - do you agree with the Daily Record? by QuesforTodd, 3/16/04 Interesting what about all the articles the record has written like 10/5 and the other ones about vorts conflict of interest and the drop in meeting size.
Do you agree when the record brought up those things.
I was hoping for happness today lets hope it works out in a way that will please everyone.
Did the record say most people were against it or did they just say the word local that might mean just green pond rd.
1721.1.1. You didn't answer the questions by QuesforTodd, 3/16/04 10:57 ET Re: Todd - do you agree with the Daily Record? by QuesforTodd, 3/16/04 Why didn't you answer the questions Todd?
If there was a conflict of interest having VORT members on the site committee, that conflict no longer exists because they left the site committee.
Answer the questions Todd.
Enormous local opposition --> Enormous would imply MANY people.
Answer the question Todd.
1721.1.1.1.2.1. relax it will work out by todddavid, 3/16/04 11:19 ET Re: Todd - do you agree with the Daily Record? by QuesforTodd, 3/16/04 Enjoy the snow you are getting way to upset this is a good day maybe a school will be built instead please try to enjoy this new devlp.
I am going to go now since you seem very upset enjoy the day be careful driving
1721.1.1.1.2.1.1. I am not upset - you are angry and evasive by QuesforTodd, 3/16/04 11:22 ET Re: Todd - do you agree with the Daily Record? by QuesforTodd, 3/16/04 "Enjoy the snow you are getting way to upset this is a good day"
I am not upset. You again show your anger and hatred. Your eyes are so red with anger you see anger everywhere.
Please answer the question posed to you:
Do you agree that there is ENORMOUS LOCAL OPPOSITION or is Mr. Jennings a liar?
1721.1.1.1.2.2. Game, set, match Todd by FreedomRider, 3/16/04 11:22 ET Re: Todd - do you agree with the Daily Record? by QuesforTodd, 3/16/04 You have been taken to the mat on this one friend...most people would be fine with a 75 member church that supports our community - not a 5000+ Mega-Compound that does not resemble anything even close to a traditional church (99% of American churches have 75 or less menbers) get your facts straight.
1721.1.1.1.2.2.1. silly again by todddavid, 3/16/04 11:29 ET Re: Todd - do you agree with the Daily Record? by QuesforTodd, 3/16/04 Stop fighting the churches faith if you are against what they want to build that is fine but dont be against who they are.
It is all old news a school might be best for that site anyway.
I hope if a school is needed for the kids you will not fight that to.
1721.1.1.1.2.2.1.1. More anger but no answers from you by QuesforTodd, 3/16/04 11:32 ET Re: Todd - do you agree with the Daily Record? by QuesforTodd, 3/16/04 "Stop fighting the churches faith"
Who is against the church's faith? You are trying to obfuscate the question at hand which is Do you agree that there is ENORMOUS LOCAL OPPOSITION or is Mr. Jennings a liar?
1721.1.1.1.2.2.1.2. Are you kidding?? by FreedomRider, 3/16/04 11:32 ET Re: Todd - do you agree with the Daily Record? by QuesforTodd, 3/16/04 Where do I state ANYTHING about these peoples faith???? Dude, get a grip...
1721.1.1.1.3. wrong todd by anotherWML, 3/16/04 11:19 ET Re: Todd - do you agree with the Daily Record? by QuesforTodd, 3/16/04 I am completely against CC.
I only attended the first meeting. This is a leagal matter. I do not believe my attendence is critical. I do believe OUR town official need the support of the residents. Therefore, it is not a waste of time to attend the meetings.
1721.1.1.1.3.1. silly by todddavid, 3/16/04 11:23 ET Re: Todd - do you agree with the Daily Record? by QuesforTodd, 3/16/04 no one said it was a waste of time. It would of been better to have picked a school for that site before and avoid all of this but to late now lets hope it works out for everyone.
The meeting wcould turn out to not have been nessary if we go with the school idea.
Either way lets hope it works out soon and we can talk about new things. Bye
The full post 1721 has been reposted on nj.com by half a dozen people now.
nj.com keeps deleting it.
There is nothing in that post against nj.com rules.
What is 'wrong' with 1721 is that todddavid loses an argument and can't answer questions.
Also - A few of the people who have reposted it have now been banned and have had their ip addresses blocked. These are people who have never posted anything at nj.com before. 1721 contains a valid conversation.
Why does nj.com censor information about the Christ Church application to purchase 140 Green Pond Road? Why are their censors one-sided? Why is it that when a post makes Rockaway Township look bad, it remains online, no matter how many complain about it, but when a post makes Christ Church's application look bad, it is deleted and the poster is banned.
Please email Dean Betz from nj.com to complain. He can not ignore us if 20 or 30 of us write to him. Complain about their censorship. Ask him why they are censoring us against their own policies. Ask him why 1721 was removed multiple times. His email address is dbetz@nj.com.
If you email him - please be polite, but demand to know WHY ROCKAWAY TOWNSHIP'S VOICE IS BEING CENSORED!