I disagree with Todd/Ted's assessment that less than 50% of residents attending the meetings equates to "most folks are fine with the church". It's a silly assertion and the reasons for this are obvious. Enough said. I do however believe that a greater numbers of attendees would be a good thing. I was wondering if one reason why more don't show up might be because they live in areas of the township that don't require them to travel Green Pond Road and therefore they don't think it's their issue. The obvious effect for these people is the loss of the Agilent tax revenues for the town. The less obvious effect is that if traffic causes homes in part of the township to lose value this reduces the town's taxable base. This means that the tax burden will in part be shifted to the portions of the town that are not impacted by the traffic and therefore retain their value. Their taxes go up (a) because of the loss of the Agilent ratable, and also (b) because of the diminished value of properties on the other side of town. Intuitively, the effect of this less obvious effect is going to be far greater than the loss of Agilent revenues. I have two questions: 1. Do you think that other sections of the town realize this, and, 2. If not, how can we best get the message to them? PS. I assume that this website is included on any flyers that are distributed. It is a great source for information on this very important issue.
I agree--As I'm sure you've seen in the past, my position has been that the majority of people on the other side of town don't see the $40-60 increase in their taxes as "worth" their time to attend these meetings. People are busy, understandably. It seems minor to them.
This is why I have always said:
"You don't even commit a $40-60 annual donation to the ambulance corps that might save your life; why would you sit back and commit to a mandatory $40-60 annual donation to a church full of people who don't even live here?"
I think most people understand what I'm getting at when I put it that way.
They also don't see this as affecting them traffic-wise, which I can understand (although certainly to some degree traffic would have to be felt all over town with that many cars.)
I feel those folks also don't understand why we're so upset about such issues because they live in an overdeveloped area and we "never had a problem" with their overdevelopment when it happened. This, to me, is an irrational thought, but common among many who speak out--not so much "for the church" but "against" our opposition of the church.
Many who write in the newspaper discounting our concerns, list their town as "Rockaway" and, if you look them up in the phone book, they're either in the boro or over by fleetwood. So while they stand to lose the $40-60 per year in taxes, they don't understand what the fuss is all about.
We in the Green Pond Road area have a unique situation, for which we have paid dearly; most others can't understand why we value it so much. Nor can they understand why we're so adamantly against the beginning-of-the-end of our lifestlye.
It may not be a large percentage of the entire township but I'd bet good money it's the vast majority of this end of the township who are strongly against the church.
I did attend the first meeting and for this and that could not make others. I did feel guilty, but then I wondered why? If the masses could vote then yes, everyone should attend, but if this is going to the courts, does it really matter how many attend? It's not like this is a democracy and majority rules. Sorry just disappointed in how we as taxpayers have no real say in what happens in our town. I understand going to the meetings keeps you informed and I do appreciate that, but I think many are feeling the sameway as I, what good will it do when it's the courts that are going to make the decision for us? I wish it wasn't so.
Potentially a lack of attendance could be seen as a lack of concern; we need to be there to support our officials and also to draw further attention to this case--for the sake not only of our Township, but for the other townships, now and in the future, that count on Rockaway's success to be a landmark case in RLUIPA defeat!
If VORT had never called our attention to this and no one had ever looked into the magnitude of this project, we'd all be shaking our heads as we sit in traffic and wonder where all these cars came from.
"How did this happen?? What's happening to our nice quiet town?"
THIS time we have a chance to keep it from happening.
As someone else mentioned, we MUST put pressure on our officials to revamp the master plan to see future problems like this before they happen!
To do these things we must stay involved.
Please come to the meetings and urge your neighbors to.
Please email me and I'll get you flyers to put in mailboxes in your neighborhood (you can do it under cover of the night, I promise it's fun--you'll feel like a teenager!)(OK maybe it's just me who was a really really BAD teenager lol).
I was brave last time I put flyers in the mailboxes. I did it during the day. Anyway, send me a copy of the flyer to Brook9@aol.com and I'll do my neighborhood.
Very Cool, Telly! Thanks--I have the file at home and will send it to you. I also have many many many copies I've already made, if it's easier I can drop them by--
For the record, I do not subscribe to Todd's theory that less than 50% are opposed to CC. I feel for every attendee in opposition, there's several more that couldn't make it.
I don't believe however, that all attendees oppose CC. For example I'm approched at every meeting by church supporter's and they all live in RT.