Ted....Are you fatigued yet?? I would be if I were you, with all the writing you do defending, and reiterating your limited defensive angle of Ireland and CC. There are too may negatives about the Church moving to green pond. There are by far, more people that feel strongly about the reasons that CC should not be given a green flag, than there are people who believe CC should have Carte Blanche. How do I know this? Look around. How many people are standing with you and Todd David? Not many. Now just take a look at the meetings. Those people care enough to get up off the couch, leave their families, and lend support in either their presence, or vocally opposing it. I have not heard one question to Ireland that was posed from a citizen of Rockaway that sounded like they where supporting the Rev. So...my thought is...perhaps this is the moral minority supporting the Rluipa and CC. And luckily for you, you have perhaps too much time on your hands. Maybe you enjoy being a contrarian. Maybe this fills a void in your life.
So…now we have this “Olive Branch”. Well to me it’s just a sign that Ireland has some intelligence. As has been stated by others….this is just his attempt at making Rockaway look like a bully that cannot be pleased.
I believe this is just the first in a number of steps he will take. Unfortunately for him, while he may be bright and have a gaggle of hired hands in his very deep pockets to help his cause, we have many intelligent people in Rockaway thinking about this issue also. The difference is he is not defending his home.
I have a question for you Ted….what do you have to gain from CC coming here? The only benefit I see for my family is a very limited use of a ball field, that could be built for well under the tax loss we’ll see. This is clearly not the highest use of the property for most of the people paying taxes here.
Wow! Three long paragraphs just to say “Might makes right”. Your point seems to be that many citizens are opposed to the church ergo they’re right. Well I’m not so sure of your might, the numbers seem to be dwindling.
You did manage to say that “There are too may negatives about the Church moving to green pond.” Yet you fail to mention any. Curious.
On the one hand you tell me my defense is limited but on the other you use a whole lotta words to say nothing…other than you feel there are more people on your side of the aisle, of course.
I don’t want to be repetitive but since you asked, I feel there will be less traffic, taxes and stress on infrastructure with the church than any other option I’ve heard.
And why do you only praise those that get off the couch once per decade some people have an ongoing interest in the community
Well, my point was that you seem to repeatedly say that interest is not there, while I disagree.
And if you have a problem with "might makes right", last time I checked, votes counted, and majority does occasion affect outcome, and does make most of the rules. I will say to your defense however that democracy is also about free speech, so you have your right to your say.
But Ted/Todd.... This isn't about playing a game with a bunch of little children with the game having to end in a tie so no one goes home with hurt feelings.
Because this post was not to rehash old topics and to continue to review the reasons why most of the people I speak with think its bad for Rockaway as this deal is being presented. The points have already been discussed.
Do you really need me to go over them with you again, so you can ignore, pick apart, or regurgitate the same retorts as you have?? Don't try to draw me into a full-blown debate like you have with some of the other people that post here over the same beaten over issues.
I realize my last post did not conatain "cut and pasted' portions of your post, which I tried addressing on a point by point basis, so I am reposting in a different format.
Ted Says: " Wow! Three long paragraphs just to say “Might makes right”. Your point seems to be that many citizens are opposed to the church ergo they’re right. Well I’m not so sure of your might, the numbers seem to be dwindling."
I Say: Well, my point was that you seem to repeatedly say that interest is not there, while I disagree.
And if you have a problem with "might makes right", last time I checked, votes counted, and majority does occasion affect outcome, and does make most of the rules. I will say to your defense however that democracy is also about free speech, so you have your right to your say.
But Ted/Todd.... This isn't about playing a game with a bunch of little children with the game having to end in a tie so no one goes home with hurt feelings.
Ted Says: "You did manage to say that “There are too may negatives about the Church moving to green pond.” Yet you fail to mention any. Curious."
I say: Because this post was not to rehash old topics and to continue to review the reasons why most of the people I speak with think its bad for Rockaway as this deal is being presented. The points have already been discussed.
Do you really need me to go over them with you again, so you can ignore, pick apart, or regurgitate the same retorts as you have?? Don't try to draw me into a full-blown debate like you have with some of the other people that post here over the same beaten over issues.
Ted says: "On the one hand you tell me my defense is limited but on the other you use a whole lotta words to say nothing…other than you feel there are more people on your side of the aisle, of course."
I say: My point was...again...to argue your point that most people in the town are not interested or on your side, which I see supports CC's move here.
Ted says: "I don’t want to be repetitive but since you asked, I feel there will be less traffic, taxes and stress on infrastructure with the church than any other option I’ve heard"
I say: Which you have stated over and over again---a point that will continue to be debated, which was not my point of this original post.
Ted says: "And why do you only praise those that get off the couch once per decade some people have an ongoing interest in the community "
I say: Because you say the numbers are dwindling. Something that stirs otherwise disinterested people enough to take action is noteworthy.
Well, again you use a lot of words to say very little. You make two points:
You claim I argue that most people are disintertested. For the record, I've never said that-nor would I ever say it.
You confuse "being right" with the democratic concept of "majority rules" All I can say is that is a sad comentary. Very sad.
Finally, you indicate there is no need to articulate your opinions. To me, this shows that you'd rather let others speak for you as long as you're on the side of the majority. Sort of a lemming.
You continue to merely accept the opinions of others. The mark of a true lemming....or kool-aid drinker or whatever the current popular phrase happens to be.
The only obvious thing is that you don't get some people's (media included) need to understand the true motives of the opposition. So far vORTarguments have been illogical, nonsensical or outright lies.
OK Ted, I see you are trying to get into an issue debate with me, and I stated that is not what my point of this topic was.
So...call me names, and make assumptions that I do not have an opinion on higher taxes, traffic, litter, strain on infastructure, rediculous recreational area use offers, emploment of local residents, Hmmm should I continue ??
that's ok call me names...if that is what you need to add credibility and support to your weakining stance, or make yourself feel better.
My first qustions to you still go unanswered. Do you have something to gain from the move here, do you get a kick out of debating, or do you really in believe that the majority of residents will benefit from the subsidies each homeowner will be shelling out in the way of traffic stress, eyesore and higher taxes?
I think I've made my point, and I think I'm done with you on this topic.
As I’ve already stated (you see it’s not me, it’s redundant questions), RT isn’t going to gain under any circumstance. I believe CC will have the least negative impact.
And no, I have no connection with CC. In fact, I have theological issues with evangelical Christianity…But that’s another story.
Besides having the least negative impact (which in itself is a positive), we get ball fields, and although I don't wish to argue values, some businesses will benefit
2- we don't get to use these fields at our leasure...they would allow us to use them at their convenience...this means...when school is not in session...when after school activities are not going on...when there is not a function in their banquet hall...when church is not going on...so...i can't see how this is a positive...if we are offered minimal usage of these fields...
3- the lesser evil is evil none the less...so it being the least negative...does NOT make it a positive...
4- with a food court within their compound...diners and restaurants won't benefit...and with their hiring regulations...not many landscapers, plumbers, etc...will benefit...so exactly what businesses will see a benefit from cc???
it's not redundant to me...as i've never asked or seen the answer to this question before...
if we don't get to use the fields - the town does not benefit from them...the opportunity to use them 5 days a month (an example) truly does not offer a benefit...plus...we have so many fields and beaches...that why would that periodic use of their field be considered a benefit???
i'm sorry...but i cannot think of business that WOULD benefit...since this is such a clear issue to you...if you could name one or two that would be great! (as i stated...restaurants would not truly benefit with the presence of their foodcourt...and their hiring policies would prevent most landscapers, plumbers, etc...from being hired)...
an evil is evil...NEVER a positive...as stated...it can only be less evil...kinda like...a dog is a dog...they just come in different shapes...it's all of the same though...an evil or a negative...by definition...can NEVER be a good or a positive...
btw, on what level do the residents of Rockaway Township benefit if the church lines the pockets of the guys who own the Hibernia Diner, the Gas Stations, and Damon's?
Is it because we'll all lose weight standing in line at the restaurants?
Maybe we'll get better at remembering to gas up our cars in advance so we don't have to run out of gas in line at the gas station on Sunday.
RE:Karen, get a clue Ted, You're finally right about something. There could possibly be a few trades people that gain a contract. Great. But why can't you accept the fact that the tiny little tid-bits that "Could" be gained are far outweighed by the long term cost involved. Now....go back nitpicking something else. Signed.... Eveyone
Ireland is much to good a businessman to allow the food business to escape his own personal grasp. Money spent on food belongs in his pocket and nobody elses, of that I am certain. That is why he wants to install a banquit facility, a food court and huge new kitchen. He will offer NOTHING to this community other than ruin.
