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Where is the DR and Presbyterian Church Pledge?


Here is an example of a typical editorial statement made by the DR about the Presbyterian Churches comments recently.  What I want to know is the following regarding this debate:


1. Where is the Presbyterian Churches pledge of money to help a town which will be financially distressed by this Monstrosity?  Words are cheap, but a pledge would be a commitment. Their lack of a pledge renders their verbiage completely empty.  Anyone can take a positive position on this if it has no impact on them.


2. Given the DR's editorial position on this and their enjoyment of profiting from Morris County residents, where is their pledge to contribute to their cause of support for CC.  That would certainly include a significant financial commitment to help defray the costs to the good taxpayers of Rockaway Township.  Again, a pledge would be a true commitment to their position.  Otherwise, their position is completely empty rhetoric.


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Here is the Koloff Editorial:


 


Church members seeking peace in the community


By Abbott Koloff, Daily Record

The letter was an expression of friendship from one church to another. It apparently was written out of concern that some opposition to Christ Church had become too emotional, too personal, and was not based purely on planning issues.

It also was part of a public relations campaign.

The Rev. David Ireland, head of Christ Church, had gone to local church leaders more than a year ago asking for their support. He didn't get a great response. Church leaders said they had nothing against Christ Church moving from Montclair to Rockaway Township. That is not exactly a ringing endorsement.

Then, on Tuesday, the First Presbyterian Church of Rockaway sent out a letter signed by its pastor, Rev. Richard Sanner, and representing the church's governing body. The letter said "we are saddened" by the opposition to Christ Church and added that some of the opposition "reflects poorly on us as neighbors and as a community." It said the church would "enhance the social, spiritual and economic life of the community."

The letter's authors did not appear to be responding to debates about planning issues, the traffic a so-called mega-church might create. There had been some veiled racial comments in the past about Christ Church, which has a large black membership, in letters sent to newspapers. Someone started an Internet diatribe against evangelical Christianity. Most church opponents have distanced themselves from that kind of talk. The letter's authors stayed away from those issues Tuesday.

"I don't judge things like that," said Joe Martinoni, one of two First Presbyterian Church members who met with Ireland earlier this month, leading to Tuesday's letter. "We didn't write the letter to make a judgment."

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They said they wrote the letter to make peace. But if history tells us anything, it's that they might have started another wave of back-and-forth attacks on the Internet and newspaper editorial pages. Leaders of the opposition try to keep the issue focused on environmental impact -- but the debate on an Internet site devoted to the issue of Christ Church sometimes seems hijacked by a small group who make it personal and ugly.

The Internet has a way of bringing out the worst in some people, sometimes allowing a few angry posters to drown out reasonable concerns. The letter sent by First Presbyterian doesn't say anything specific about the tone of the debate.

But make no mistake. That's why it was sent.

"They wanted to take a stand," Sanner said of members of his church's governing body. "They didn't like the way (Christ Church) has been received by the community."

The letter was written after Martinoni and another man asked for a meeting with Ireland, saying they wanted to offer their support. Ireland said he had gone to local churches more than a year ago, asking for support, and seemed a little surprised when no one stepped forward. He made a suggestion to the two men from First Presbyterian. He said he didn't give them any directions. He prodded them. He told them that making their support public would be helpful.

"I was appreciative of them reaching out," Ireland said.

They went back to their church and the governing body voted to send a letter. It will have no impact on the planning board, no impact on Christ Church's application. It doesn't say much about Christ Church's environmental impact, or the traffic it might create on Sundays in an area zoned for office buildings. It does say something about the way some people perceive the debate. There is an argument to be made that traffic is not the biggest issue.

That's not to say Christ Church has not made mistakes during this process. Ireland said in an interview last year that he planned to change his application to comply with the state's new Highlands law. About a week later, it came out that he simply was seeking an exemption. His public relations people said that, technically, he was being accurate.

But he wasn't completely forthcoming.

It is unlikely that Tuesday's letter will create a wave of support for Christ Church among religious leaders. Some have said in the past that they have nothing against Christ Church. A few have come out against a few blatantly bigoted statements made about the church. Most probably don't want to get involved in planning issues that they haven't studied.

"I've met Rev. Ireland and he is a wonderful person," said Rabbi Asher Herson, head of the Chabad Center in Rockaway Township.

He added that he doesn't know enough to comment about the church's environmental impact.

Then again, Tuesday's letter probably would not have been sent had the debate stayed focused on environmental issues and not become so acrimonious. Some people might argue that the letter is an attempt to divide Christ Church's opponents. The people who sent the letter might argue that it was an attempt to reach out across a divide.



-- Edited by Rational at 09:03, 2005-02-04

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I certainly agree & thought a similar thought  when it came out....Recently, on national radio,  Pastor Ireland asked for donations from the "christian community" for cc's legal bills... I would love to know how much the Presbyterian church gave... that would probably be a better indication of how they really feel and/or their motives... you can tell alot more about someones faith by reading their checkbook than you can by reading their letters.... i hope they made a substantial donation


hopefully cc will realize soon that these "tactics" are having the exact opposite affect they are hoping for ... they are being poorly advised ... once again (i know you all disagree)... in the long run, i really believe cc will bow out gracefully


 



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Good note Koloff...we can only hope for the writers of the DR to take a factual, unbiased stance...the track record of the Daily Record, the Neighbor news and the Citizen has been in most peoples opinion, biased in CC's favor, taking direction from their PR firm.

I for one witnessed Moe, Larry and Curly (Jennings, Snowflack, and Dooty) giggling like a few schoolgirls, whispering to each other behind their hands, and just about high fiving each other at a planning board meeting when CC had made a point.
DISGUSTING behavior for reporters to act this way.
In my opinion they are guilty by association for cavorting with a known political race loser, a person fined for creating frivolous lawsuits, who has also been accused of sending letters out under false names to the very “newspaper” (and I’m generous in using that term…more like “rag”) these two hacks reporters work for.

Keep up the good work officials of the township...you have impressed me with these latest events... I would rather vote you back in again, and support you than work to have you fired.

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Hard to believe, with the strongarm bullying tactics they're so fond of thus far...

But it'd be nice, that's for sure!

Maybe the PERFECT site for CC will suddenly appear and it really will be a "win-win"!

A girl can dream....

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Karen,


Funny... but a couple of years ago a friend of mine who is friends with a cc 'insider" thought they were moving to Fairfield, as long as they could afford it... now he may have had the location wrong... but what an ideal place for them... Both on & off Rt 46 in that industrial area (west of willowbrook mall & as far west as Bloomfield Av... also same industrial area to the south in W. caldwell) there are a ton of vacant huge buildings they could probably get for a song... also very few residents & great access ...and close to their people... you're right a girl can dream (and pray too  )... have a great weekend!



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