If the "New Man in Town" succeeds in his endeavours to acquire a foothold herein, we will have to learn to incorporate a "New Moral Compass" into our sociological reality. This is probably much different than that which all of us have witnessed before in our life experience. As everyone has seen, this man has a prism on morality that is much different than most of us in Rockaway Township have been brought up with.
Imagine what this kind of thinking that he and his throngs of 20,000 will bring to our township versus our population of only 24,000? Who will dominate the sociological, - political landscape given that potential reality? Think about it, folks.
Time to tell him - - - Thanks, but no Thanks, and - - - Good Bye!!
No doubt that you and most people in RT are NOT sheep. However, according to RTDweller, who seems to be knowledgable about this sort of Megachurch phenemonen, the CC throngs will follow Ireland wherever he wants to take them. Those folks are the ones that I was referring to and they are probably like minded and in sync with Irelands sense of morality. That behaviour is not what we are used to seeing in our clergy here in Town in my experience. The clergy that I know or have spoken to are moral pillars and very pious and humble people who presently serve the spritiual needs of our town. Ireland does not come close to fitting that description.
Ahhhh, this must be the paranoid bigot ranting de jour! I can't imagine lining up to drink the kool-aid or await the comet myself. But then again, I'm comfortable in my own skin.
Mr. Rational, your concern over anyone having a different moral compass than yours , and to suggest that this is a relevent topic to include in the debate is biggoted and immoral. What a flaming hypocrite.
We all have our prejudices. So do I. No denial here. If you say that you do not have your own personal prejudices, you are an intellectually dishonet lier. I have noticed that Ireland has a real problem with the truth. You have not noticed? Are you blind? I have also noticed that this man has a problem with at least one of the 10 commandments. I find that fascinating for a man of the cloth.
I do not like charletons like him or those that blindly follow. That is my perogative. OK?
Personalities aside, I think there is a valid point to be considered here. When any pre-existing group of this size moves into an area and takes up residence, be it business or personal, they can tend to become the dominate force in political and socioeconomic decisions in the town. The end result, given some of the basic differences in primary interests, can be one of the original residents losing any and all control on their own local destiny. It is obvious that this mega-corp cannot exist with only 5k members. Several people have crunched the numbers and to meet regular operating costs, the membership/support would have to be much larger or they are doomed to fail in a very short time. Since I do not believe for a second that Ireland is a stupid man, I doubt that he is deliberately taking steps to ensure his failure. Therefore, we may end up with a force of almost equal size to or even greater than our total current RT residents calling the shots. And we thought the idea of Mayor Dooty was a bad idea, what about the only man with the "Gift", Mayor Dr. Rev. Ireland?
I too ,have found problems with Dr. Irelands candor. I too, oppose the granting of the application for the church to locate on the site.I too, find myself in disagreement with some of what evangelicals do and espouse.
Your rantings, however honest, more than suggest that your opposition to this project is based more on who is planning to move in ,than the impact of the project itself. I find that very disturbing, and I can't let statements like yours go by without rebuttal.
It is absolutely none of your business when you attempt to dictate the validity of my reasoning for opposing this application. You have your reasons (which I do not agree with) and I have mine (which you do not agree with). My reasons are more along the lines of concerns about the sociological and political aspects of this town when, what I perceive as an immoral man, takes over control of a huge orgainization located here. If you do not like my reasons that is just too bad.
You and your ilk can keep on chasing windmills with the environment argument and all that crap. It has not added up to a thing thus far and it will not add up to a hill of beans at the end of the day either. I will keep on advocating that we condemn the property; that is something that the township can do with little remedy for ire-land. My personal reasons for my tact or your personal reasons for your tact are completely irrelevent as far as the legal system is concerned. Neither you nor I are township officials, so we can object to them and their demand to come to this town for reasons as mundane as not liking the smell of their breath if we so choose!
Fascinating. Absolutely fascinating. And all this coming from one man questioning another's morality to validate his own agenda without any apparent concern for due process and the rule of law.So, if there are no legal or environmental grounds to deny the application, you are suggesting that we deny it on sociological and political grounds? Would "seperate but equal" be a concept you would condone? If the church were to move in, why not pass a law requiring church members to wear a yellow crucifix? Would that make you happy?This is Rockaway Township 2005. It is not 1950's Selma Alabama and it is not 1930's Berlin. I won't comment on my perception of your morality. I'll let the readers of this board decide that for themselves.
When a fake church threatens to destroy a town and uses dirty tactics to do so, I recommend that we use a body of law that has a track record of success.
A virulent, life threatening disease requires tough medicine.
ps - I have never watched infantile shows like the twighlight zone.
quote: Originally posted by: Rational ps - I have never watched infantile shows like the twighlight zone
What! Those shows are brilliant. I know many PhD's (with real PhD's.....in the sciences) who love the Twilight Zone. Now if your talking about Star Trek, that's inafantile.
Here is an intresting quote that may be somewhat germane to those who may put personal feelings ahead of reason,fair play and the rule of law and the intended use and spirit of such laws:
"In political matters, feeling often decides more correctly than reason". --Adolph Hitler-- Mein Kampf, page 173.
Submitted to evoke thought and reflection, not to instigate.
