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I guess Dimin is trying to convince us here in town that he is earning his keep.  Personally, I am not the least bit convinved.  Fire the bastard and get a lawyer that knows what the hell he is doing to advise our township.  Anyway, here is the Daily Raggord article about the meeting:


(Condem the property Now Before it is too Late!)


Attorney: Megachurch plan short on details


By Rob Jennings, Daily Record

ROCKAWAY TWP. -- The planning board's attorney slammed Christ Church of Montclair's site engineer for not providing enough specifics on drainage and other key issues at Monday's public hearing, the ninth on the 5,000-member church's controversial building plan on Green Pond Road.

"We should know what that runoff is going to be .. how you're going to resolve that," board attorney William Dimin told church engineer Paul Anderson midway through the 8 p.m. hearing.

Many of the 120 people in attendance -- the smallest crowd yet for any Christ Church hearing -- applauded when Dimin said that additional details would be mandatory.

Anderson, minutes earlier, described the church's building plan as being "in the spirit of the Highlands legislation," the new state law to which Christ Church was granted an exemption last week by the state Department of Environmental Protection.

Dimin alluded to questioning over whether 277 parking spaces that the church contends would be "under-building" would, in fact, be underground -- potentially triggering a more intensive environmental inquiry.


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Advertise with us!The church's attorney, Wendy Berger, said in response that all such information would be provided in later testimony -- perhaps by recalling Anderson or through other church witnesses.

Planning board chairman Mort Dicker began the meeting by announcing that the church, last Saturday, provided a tour of the 107-acre, former Agilent Technologies site to planning board members.

A resident, Dennis Haas, objected to the fact that no members of the public were present for the tour. Dicker said during an intermission that the tour was advertised in a legal notice.

Haas asked Berger if the public would be invited on a similar tour. Berger responded that "no provision is being made" for a second tour of the Agilent site.

Dicker thanked the church for the tour, saying it broadened the board's understanding of the site where Christ Church is proposing a 2,512-seat sanctuary, private K-5 school, fellowship hall, recreational fields and other facilities.

Shortly after the meeting began, Berger complained to the board about a person who, she said, was "handing out flyers to everyone" advertising an Oct. 17 fundraiser for Voices of Rockaway Township, a group opposed to the church building plan.

Dicker ordered the person to cease distributing the fliers inside the hearing room.

Monday's police presence, as is the case at all Christ Church hearings, was significant. Drivers entering the Copeland Middle School parking lot were approached by a police officer who asked them to state their names and where they were going.

Police Chief Walter Kimble, who spent part of the hearing inside the room, said the questions were simply meant to better help direct people among several events taking place at the school.

Before the meeting, Christ Church spokesman Marc Weinstein clarified that the total size of the church's building plan would be 303,000-square feet, not 287,000 as the church previously stated.

Weinstein said the error was a miscalculation that had been corrected and would not circumvent the church's exemption from the Highlands law, which strictly limits development in a 395,000-acre core area including the Agilent site.

Anderson said the church's exemption was predicated on its proposal offering less impervious coverage than already exists at the site.

In response to a resident's question about whether the church's plan to remove trees in its parking lot might disturb a population of Indiana bats, Mayor Louis Sceusi agreed to forward to the church a Jan. 8 letter from the U.S. Department of the Interior regarding the status of various protected species in the area.




-- Edited by Rational at 05:26, 2004-10-05

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Of course, they clarified that the church plan is 20,000 more feet than what was previously stated. This is starting to become a habit with them. Makes you wonder what else they haven't clarified. We are doomed if they get in. Remember that council!

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At one point I remember Ireland making the case that his church size deserved and demanded a facility as huge as the one originally proposed.

I'm curious as to what has changed about his congregation so much that he only needs half that to serve his constituents...errr I mean congregation.

Also....if the original footprint has a foundation that is going to be reused, then they would not have to disturb the soil. The question I have is that if the foundation has to be redug due to additional load or shape, would it not be disturbing the soil at that point??? After Sceusi questioned the "expert" with the Dick Tracy headset, they quickly computed the square footage underbuilding/ground based on parking spaces to be the surface area of approximately an acre …(let us not forget that the size of these spots would need variance approval). The computation mentioned nothing of the lanes that go between the spots, and the posts that would support the structure.

Kinda curious about the ventilation system for the garage…While I enjoy the islands and the summer weather, I would not want the warm tropical breeze of a several hundred car’s exhaust pointed at my backyard. Remember to multiply the number of parking spaces for each of the planned services to get the number of cars utilizing that lot.

This may be a minor point, but I find it had to believe that median strips in parking lot serve the purpose of pervious land….I hope they remembered to include the curbing around those strips in their computations of non-impervious land, and parking space size….remember…. he stated that these strips were part of the computation that helped them gain their exemption from the Highlands bill.

See you in December…gee…I hope the meeting isn’t po$tponed by snow.


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One more question:

Who was that woman who was so well spoken that stood up for some of the environmental concerns????

A new face... she reminded me of Truman....speak softly, carry a big stick.

Thank you ma'am.

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Originally posted by: Mark B

"After Sceusi questioned the "expert" with the Dick Tracy headset, they quickly computed the square footage underbuilding/ground based on parking spaces to be the surface area of approximately an acre …(let us not forget that the size of these spots would need variance approval). The computation mentioned nothing of the lanes that go between the spots, and the posts that would support the structure.
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Garage is 12' high - add .5 to 1 foot for the floor (anybody know how thick a garage flooring is???).


Parking spaces alone are over 40,000 square feet (with variance).


Let's assume the parking garage (spaces plus lanes plus support beams) is approx 100,000 sq feet - should be a good ballpark figure.


100,000 square feet x 12.5' (height) - 1.25 million cubic feet of soil removed to build this 'under-building-but-not-underground-because-we-removed-all-the-ground' garage.


 


 



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